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Sounds like your money may be better spent renting a crash-pad apartment and a storage unit!

I know he's the President, but at this point does anyone give a crêpe?

When I first arrived at MacDill in '87 as a shiny new crew chief there was a lot of really bad juju between MX and OPS in our squadron. We were understaffed (due to a random pee-test of everyone in the AMU a couple of months before that busted out a full 25% of the unit - and even more of the younger ones)(Hey, it was the Miami Vice days and we were in Florida...) and they were overtasked with young student pilots (especially as we in MX were having trouble generating FMC acft). We all had a feeling that something bad was going to happen, like there was a train closing fast and we were ALL stuck on the tracks. What happened? A group of us younger crew chiefs ran into a bunch of our IP's out at a local chicken wing establishment on a Tuesday night. Everyone had a good night (nickle wings AND nickle beer probably helped) and it grew into an unofficial weekly event. Within a few weeks of talking over wings and beer, we both came to understand a lot of the "other sides" issues and priorities, and in doing so, a lot of those issues disappeared. Now the AF wouldn't have looked highly on this alcohol and chicken wing-fueled "fraternization" but it worked for us. Never could keep LOX in the jets on Wednesday mornings though...

A classic thread now ruined... I'm not a fan of personal attacks, but Pancake, you're an idiot. You are the type of American that appreciates the loss of personal/inalienable rights for increased "security." Once they're gone, they're extremely difficult to get back. Your lack of support for the 2nd amendment shows your disrespect for what the the Bill of Rights stands for. They are natural born rights not to be fucked with by a government. The Founding Fathers were smart enough to add them to the Constitution, because they knew pricks like you would want to subjugate their fellow man. Eat a bag of dicks and choke yourself.

The cream may rise to the top, but shit also floats.

And I'm exercising my right to the First Amendment which I have defended (and continue to) for the last 17 years. I disagree with your view of the Second Amendment.

If I'm wrong, please explain the merits of unlimited gun rights. And don't use the "criminals will win" argument. A .45 bullet will drop a bad guy just as quickly as a 30mm HEI round, if the user is proficient, of course. Spoken like the true intellectual you are! I'm also very intimidated by your "capturing" skills. I've voiced my opinion. You've made it clear that any real discussion about this topic is impossible, so why should we waste time exercising your vast vocabulary of four-letter words in a series of pointless back-and-forths? The First Amendment has limits. Inciting mayhem, for instance. One more thing... It's seemingly always the guys who have never actually done "something," whether that "something" be getting laid, flying airplanes, or being violent (killin' squirrels don't count), that talk the most/act the biggest about it. Just something I've noticed...

Thank God for that... And, it's "Crew Dawg," thank you very much...

M2, Please don't take offense, but I don't see the point of letting citizens own assault weapons. I fully agree with gun ownership for hunting, home defense, and self protection. Your well laid out argument concerning CCW is as relevant as my theory that he would have been stopped much earlier had he only had a revolver. Can you name an incident where a home-owner has defended himself more ably with an assualt weapon against an intruder than with an ordinary pistol? I remember Columbine (12 dead): "During the shootings, Harris carried a 12 gauge Savage-Springfield 67H pump-action shotgun (serial no. A232432) and a Hi-Point 995 Carbine 9 mm semi-automatic rifle with thirteen 10-round magazines, fired 96 times. Harris's other weapon, the shotgun, was fired a total of 25 times. Harris committed suicide by shooting himself in the head with his shotgun. Klebold carried a 9 mm Intratec TEC-9 semi-automatic handgun manufactured by Navegar, Inc. with one 52-, one 32-, and one 28-round magazine. He also carried a 12 gauge Stevens 311D double barreled sawed-off shotgun (serial no. A077513). Klebold's primary weapon was the TEC-9 handgun, which was fired a total of 55 times. Klebold would later commit suicide via a shot to the left temple with the TEC-9." I remember Georgia Tech (32 dead): "Cho used two firearms during the attacks: a .22-caliber Walther P22 semi-automatic handgun and a 9 mm semi-automatic Glock 19 handgun." Where do we go from here...more guns in the hands of responsible citizens...less guns in the hands of all citizens...?

Really?! Joking, right?! I am all about the second amendment, but is all of that necessary? I'm curious of the purpose of such extensive firepower. Obviously, firearm ownership lines have to be drawn somewhere. Whether it's semi-automatic handguns, fully-automatic rifles, or personally owned A-10s, there comes a point where the right to bear arms ends. Just like well-intentioned evangelicals, over-the-top radio talk show hosts, or radical political activists put-off the general public with their voices, responsible gun owners can be a lot more successful advocating the Second Amendment by quietly promoting safe and responsible gun usage than by owning, bragging about, or encouraging stockpiling of military standard weapons. No private citizen is going to fend off any tyrannical government with any amount of firepower, and for the safety of my family, I prefer just enough firepower to get lodged in an intruder, but not go through my baby's bedroom wall. I am a Constitutionally-minded conservative, but bragging about the size of your "gun" in the aftermath of events like yesterday's shootings does more to hurt Second Amendment rights than help. I'm not sayin', but... I'm just sayin'.