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I hope they published a NOTAM warning everyone else.

MegaPieBoy=DOUCHE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Back to the thread.

It's so painful listening to media-types talking about aviation incidents. On another note, I think I'm going to start talking with my head tilted all the way back and to the right.

It's the desert dude. 1, 1, 1, 1.

I thought that was every flight for the Vipers...I keed I keed..

Your deployed base sounds way better than my deployed base.

whatever do your thing man

I just one look at my CAC card it my rank is only listed as "LT." And going across service: My Army buddies inform me that 2LT's don't salute 1LT's. No if, and, or buts. They don't. Yet one is clearly a higher ranking officer. I think it's only a big deal because certain people make it. And in the Army, there is also a big difference between a 1LT and a 2LT. I think it's just getting blown out of proportion. If Amn Snuffy see's two LT's not salute each other and it makes that big of an impact on his outlook on military rank and bearing then I think we failed him at a much earlier point. What about a 1LT and a Captain select? Or two Captains with grossly different dates of rank? Yea, that's really splitting hairs...but while we are paying attention to detail...why not? Regardless, my $.02.

you make valid points and are correct that we're speaking on this topic from different perspectives. here's my perspective...when i was in UPT half of us students were 1Lts and half of us were 2lts. i'm not gonna be saluting my 1LT classmate buddy every time i walk by him outside. and I think you'll find that is a common practice in the pilot UPT world. probably hard to understand for outsiders looking in but makes perfect sense to me.

Dude, you need a new car.

what's the harm in it? it's good fun imo and the fighter culture is A+ in my book. beats having no culture.

MPB chill out bro it's ASBC. you chasing stars already? just relax. you're going to be fine.

You sound like you need a beer...are you the guy who yelled at me for wearing sandals around the Deid? Lts don't salute each other because they're both Commissioned officers separated by only a few years. I think it's lost on the majority of the AF that their job is to support flying because they're too busy focusing on reflective belts and saluting regulations, push the mission, relax, and try to make life a little more enjoyable for the rest of us.

Copy, I've been a flyer for a few years and in flying squadrons, I understand what you're saying because I see it daily. However, SMSgt LRS guy who's at the Senior NCO Academy doesn't know this gem of information, and that's not how non-rated Officers act. So by saying off the bat Lt's don't salute each other to a bunch of non-wing wearing SNCO's you're going to get weird looks and "mentored" about how it's not right to do so. Technique Only So, "only a few years" applies to Lt's?" Sure.

Did anyone say you're a shitty aviator because you think it's lame for a 2Lt to salute a 1Lt? No, it's just basic customs and courtesies. What kind of topics do you think are discussed in PME (O and E flavor)? I personally think it's lame that I have to salute student pilots and I'm an FTU instructor. I make more in flight pay than they do, I have WAY more hours of flying and years of flying, have more Air Medals and Combat time than they'll ever see in their career, I've been in the AF much longer than they have, etc. But....it's basic customs and courtesies and I do it because it's required and that's just how the hierarchy of how the military is set up. I think what's also lost with you is the majority of the AF doesn't fly, they are in Security Forces, Maintenance, Logistics, etc. When I was in a MXS years ago out of 500 people, we had 5 Officers. A 2Lt/Flight Commander was a big deal and in charge of a lot of people. So seeing a 2Lt walk by a 1Lt without saluting them, seen by plenty of Enlisted personnel, is a big deal. How can you yell at a SSgt for not saluting you if you in turn think it's lamesauce to salute a 1Lt? Practice what you preach.

Thanks dude....exactly what I was "pinging" for! I'm not much for drinking the kool-aid and smoking the pole either...but this one time at band camp I had SEX. WITH A GIRL! Although, I do not like kool-aid or smoking the pole, I am super nervous about going to such a challenging training program after an easy one like pilot training. Not earning DG could severely hamper my efforts and master plan for making spec ops 4 star general(a plan I'm already enacting at this point in my career). My pings didn't have anything to do with being curious about the minimum amount of work that ASBC would require. Good STS btw!