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If the military in general has one overriding tradition, probably back to Roman times, it's bitching. It's our heritage. Overheard in 1776: "@*#$%& Washington, getting us up on @*#$%& Christmas night and here we are floating across some &@%#& icy river. Could be *@%@&$ sleeping rather than in this &@%&# leaky boat. Wish he'd just *$%@&! fall in..."

I'm looking forward to the Lifetime movie!

If he had been aboard, they would've got DFC's.

Its been a slow news week... what with a golden economy, non-existent national debt, well below double digit unemployment, complete lack of military commitments worldwide and peace breaking out everywhere, including Syria and Libya... (and the Red Sox kicking ASS!) Who could blame the non-flying public or the media!??! Chuck

This is a good thread with some excellent advice from the old-timers. I got out after my "7 year hitch" and while there were many opportunities (I got out mid-2008 when things were still fairly decent) for $100k plus jobs, I went in the opposite direction as far as salary goes...I am currently making about half of what I made in the AF. The military headhunter groups had some good jobs lined up for me, I was able to find a few on my own as well, but I took personal satisfaction over salary. Fortunately, the wife more than makes up for it. But I consider the job I have now to be the best damn job in the world (behind B-52 Radar Nav of course!). My point is do what you want to do or would like to do. Pay is nice, but why be in a job that you hate...or you can do what I did and marry a GS-13! You have to do a lot of research and you have to sell yourself. Take advantage of the programs that the AF has available for those folks who are getting out. My first job interview ever was after I got out of the Air Force...and I wasn't prepared. As I gained experience I found that selling yourself in an interview is like embellishing an OPR. Make the simple and trivial stuff seem earth shattering. The civilian world is cut-throat and with very few exceptions, there isn't much team-oriented mission accomplishment. There are many people who will gladly take a shit on their own mothers to move up. Good luck!

Now c'mon, we all know Fox News is fair and balanced and the ONLY news organization that tells the truth... never with any leanings to one side or the other. My guess is Obama personally mandated the sculpture and threatened to convene a death panel on senior citizens if it wasn't included.

It is no news that AF leadership these days is a joke. But this never ending continual posting of comments like whinny little bitches kinda gets old. Wouldn't y'all agree with me? Even the newbies, wet around the ears have their little $0.2 to add. If there is this much whining, who then is running the place amok? Most of you whinny little bitches wouldn't have enough sack to make changes when you finally get into a position to do so. Rather than mentoring a generation of quiet professionals, we have a generation of whiners. Guess what, you have only added to the problem - Mediocre whiners! Would the leadership on here step up and clean house. It is a culture that needs to be changed. The US Air Force is here to stay.

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