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This one was too funny and well written not to pass on to the rest of the baseops.net communuty. This could probably go in the "Leadership at the Deid" thread, or even the "I Hate Reflective Belts" thread, but since it is from Iraq and deals with combat showers, I figgered I'd piss the mods off and start a new thread for it. Names obscured to protect the innocent.

Maybe if they stop non-voling them to RPAs, they'll solve their shortage.

Gravitational effect of those huge balls of steel.

This is a great telling of the story from Rescue's point of view, and reads much better than I'm sure the citation will. https://www.bagram.afcent.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123254042

What the POTUS meant to say was that release of the photos could cause attacks against US forces deployed to the Middle East and that he was not willing to place US troops in harm's way anymore than they already are.

He means we can't completely cut ties because we still need to transit Paki airspace to get to/from airbases inside Afghanistan to/from locations outside Afghanistan.

From a Major I deployed to Iraq with in 2003: "You know, if we join up and share a shower, we can take a 10 minute shower!!! Just think about it..."

Ask your mom. What??

Excellent use of the English language. You are a complete and utter tool. Q3 overall for pissing on fellow aviator's graves.

If you only knew half of what he has offered...

Baseops.net post: "You fuckers will not believe where I am right now..."

This just in... EADS sues BMW for not allowing them to be in the commercial.

Best. Dog. Ever.

No, because you said any evaluator that gives them should not be evaluators, thus you are encouraging they disregard the Vol 2. That does seem to tie your hands a bit, however it appears to be an AETC attempt to remove some decision making from the EPs. Maybe because AETC does not know how to handle the outcome of a Q2? Come back operational and purge the AETC bong water from your system, their rules exist for a purpose and they do not translate well operationally. I think that is the key distinction (AETC can always afford the training). Q2 means training, Q3 means training, another pre-check and another check ride. Imagine the difference between a Q2 OME and a Q3, maybe one ride versus 3 locals, and 2-3 trips... That's an expensive distinction. Must be nice to be in a community with no mistakes and where all your friends are still alive, that must make you correct.

I was referring to this order: COMPLIANCE WITH THIS PUBLICATION IS MANDATORY on the reg... "Get over myself"? because I choose to follow a written order? No, not to predict, but to judge their performance, based on your own experience of other pilots ICW the reg. I would like to know that I judged them based on the reg; I think it is "ridiculous and grandiose" to judge someone without reference to the reg, as though I know more than all those that came before me who wrote it. Not my intent to imply check ride scores are dependent on financial concerns, rather AETC has the resources to demand their EPs give Q3s and not Q2s. I was offering the outcome differences between the two, a blanket Q3 for every unsat grade costs everyone more. Not sure how we got here. I thought the discussion was "should Q2s be allowed?" based on the original statement that an EP should not be an EP if he gives one. I am not sure how you jumped to the conclusion that I have to always give Q3s to fix a situation, when in fact, I am trying to justify the use of a Q2 when it is necessary INSTEAD of a Q3. Most people associate a Q2 as the same as a Q1 with downgrades, I see it as similar to Q3 but for non-critical areas. I don't think they are justified very often, but I can see situations when they are. I have yet to hear a single argument for EPs not to give Q2, except for the AETC V3 from Crew Report that says "serious consideration" should be given for a Q3. I am just giving my side, and I know I have been wrong on occasion [/sarcasm], but I would like to know people's rationale for not using them.

I don't follow rules because I don't give Q-2's? So what's the difference between a Q-1 with downgrades and a Q-2? Nothing, they both passed with areas they need to work on that they showed a deficiency. Thanks for the reading Vol 2's, however my world (AETC) here's what the AETC Supt says about Evals under the Q-2 section. Which I agree. And if someone shows a U in an non-critical area, they need corrective training. And 99.69% of the time on evaluations when you need have been identified needing corrective training you're going to be Q-3'd in my community. Speak for your own, which last time I checked had problems with airshow demos and running Approach & Landing checklists. It was a figure of speech, lighten up Francis.

Hmm, I think that anyone going through UPT right now would say otherwise, but in the cosmic realm that this is coming down from I don't expect to understand the facts that apparently exist. I guess I'll work on that though.

I smell a conspiracy theory... Edit Playing devil's advocate, I don't give a shit either way.