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No you fucking ignoramus...he was saying "both". If that "dead guy from the Vietnam era" was still alive he would most certainly punch you right in the snot locker.

Kinda sorta, they still do have to go to IFS after they graduate. And this actually counts for nothing in terms of their ranking (as cadets and/or in terms of awarded AFSC). In fact, they take it as seniors, up till this year they got their AFSC as juniors. I have had a number of cadets tell me this summer they aren't sure what they want to do, and took this to help them figure out if flying was it. So for them, it's a good thing they don't have AFSCs yet. Don't forgot, you can not take this program, or do absolutely terrible in it, and still go onto IFS and UPT. It is intended as a motivational/educational program open to all cadets. You have to be PQ to solo, but not to take the course. They get a pass/fail down here. And I don't know if anyone actually fails, you'd have to try hard, very hard. There is no report that goes anywhere. Those deciding who gets to be a star bellied sneetch ENJPPT student have no idea how they did or didn't do in PFP, there are no reports generated. All they know is who took it and who finished it. I'll point out, gliders and jump are both excellent programs (IMO) not so much for the students, but the instructors. Both are run and instructed entirely by cadets. Yeah they are supervised by officers/NCOs, but they really do the majority of instruction, that's a pretty cool responsibility for a 21 year old cadet. I think I answered it a while back, but why do we have PFP? After we moved IFS out of here, the CSAF came to the realization that the AF Academy didn't have any powered airplanes on it (tow planes don't count). They even got rid of the motor gliders. He apparently thought it was a bad thing that cadets would spend four years here and never have a chance to operate a powered airplane. Your opinion may vary, his won. What will happen to the program....who the hell knows. The going guess is that it'll turn back into IFS again. As far as flying squadrons go, costs are a drop in the bucket (I flew 3.2 hours today, burned about 30 gallons of gas). Some may say it's a lot of money for a fam program when we're going to send them to IFS in a year anyway. I dunno. Bottom line, it exists and I'm having fun. The glass cockpit probably isn't necessary, but can you buy a Cirrus without one? What's VRF?

Thankfully, this is a week AFTER I got to fly HABFM with JASDF Eagles from Chitose. (...and yes, I was 2 for 2 and got some pretty sweet HUD footage of an Eagle under my BATR. And no, I didn't BINGO-out first...heh.) In all seriousness, this has been a tough week for fighter aviation. USAF Viper at Nellis and a JASDF Eagle...both morts. Sucks.

Can someone explain the need for these programs? What is the point of Academy guys getting jump wings, or 10 hours in XX aircraft? Edit: stoleit asked it first, but still waiting for an answer.

Oh yeah, I'm sure he was just a LASIK procedure away from being a PJ...let the Navy have him, they use the enlisted dudes that work at the brig as piss test monitors instead of casual UPT studs, should be a step up for him. seems appropriate...and I thought that the honey buckets were "For Women and Co-pilots Only"...at least that's what was written on the toilet seat of the first Herk I flew at the Rock...

Ok, another tack: How do we, as a service, transition the best damn tactical mofos into the best damn field graders and best damn leaders? To provide a bit of focus to the question: first, how do we do it if we could completely revamp the entire system right now? Second, if we can't make those sweeping changes, how do we do it within our current system? Facts I will never disagree with: 1) we need the best damn tactical dudes we can train and mentor down in the weeds getting shit done; 2) we need some shit hot dudes in FGO-appropriate roles within our squadrons, wings, and so on; 3) we need shit hot dudes in leadership positions, all the way to the top...dudes that will make the mission happen and provide appropriate care to their people to enhance the mission. For what it's worth, I think our PME at the SOS and ACSC level is pretty shitty and the most of Master's degrees we do end up wasting money on do not provide any true use to the USAF. The ACSC Master's program has a lot of potential...but right now it's a bunch of circle-jerking dick/clit-sucking bullshit with, in my experience, only 1 of 4 instructors willing to tell students their answers were not up to speed. This is evident in the "with honors" criteria of >3.95 GPA...it is extremely easy to get A's in the courses. I think we can make it better. The new "operational warfare" focus is a step in the right direction. If you aren't aware of it, the four elective courses are credited for completion of WIC, which cuts your course count down to seven. It gives you credit for three of seven ACSC tests. But it can be better still...we can create something that does provide benefit to the member, the USAF, and allows for DG/other identifiers for "useful" OPR/PRF bullets.

That article is priceless!

Why does the Zoo need airplanes anyway? Does academy get to bypass IFS?

Well, it's well past 5 on the east coast. My unit has tomorrow off for the holiday weekend...kinda wondering if they're doing the same at AFRC.

I noticed they didn't flip the cockpit like in the DA-20's.