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You won't hear anything from me. I think the USAF needs to take a good hard look at itself and really see if Physical fitness is the drop dead drag out fight that it really wants to make it. Ironically, most folks I know in the AF, if in an actual knock down drag out fight...would get crushed. But that is besides the point. Meet a basic standard in BMTS to get in the door, Let AFSCs set their own standards, and test each other with a test that is appropriate to their job, and let the CC (my vote would be Wg/CC, not sq), simply have the authority to say, "Hey, you look like shit, get to not looking like shit like yesterday, or I will crush you". Maybe ruck marches for cops, box of copier paper carry for MPF, case of beer carry for co-pilots, you know let it make sense. Won't ever happen.

As a former PTL let me just say, it's easier said than done. I always told myself that I wouldn't be a PTL nazis when it came to testing people. That I wouldn't take the little bit of power the AF gave me to screw others over. As long as it wasn't blatant you where cheating on your pushups or sit-ups, I'd probably let you skate by. Some knew exactly what they needed on the waist measurement in order to be able to continue on. They'd look at you, gleaming in your eye, hoping like hell you'd just throw them a bone. Worst of all was having to test someone within your own chain of command. That type of person you knew was just going to suck when it was their turn (sts). That same person who was pleasant to work with and everyone liked. The same person that... was in charge of your shift or crew was in charge of making the duty schedule would let you leave to go get some chow, or run an errand when they didn't have too would let you leave early or come in late when there was extra manning for the day could make your duty day a living hell/or enjoyable one on a daily basis ....that's when you think a bit differently. Sure I realized it went against every core value. But when their waiting on a PT test to closeout an EPR/OPR, and knowing that if you don’t help them out, they won’t get to test/pin/sew on rank, and you gota work with that person everyday (that already outranks you)....f*ck, that. I always like to keep in mind a very graceful, heartfelt saying...."don’t shit where you sleep". I'm not saying it's right and I knew where to draw the line. Base upon this, I think PTLs shouldn't test those working on their same crew/shift/shop/workplace...notice I didnt say squadron. Flame on...

Wow. You just swept past Scoobs, PYB, and Crew Report for the biggest douchebag comment of 2011 seen on this board. Congrats.

https://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123279851&channelPageId=s6925EC1356040FB5E044080020E329A9&programId=tA1FBF31D25AE0DF20125FF41AF4B0E56 Cool stuff, 70 guys going for a camp is no joke. Wonder how surprised they were to have those bombs dropped on them, and if the bad weather was part of their plan of attack.

lol, so wait, that means I should be able to sell to my CC the need for intense drinking and unhealthily eating/living and some good ol' fashioned smoke-ins.....If I can just make it till...say 50, the AF only has to pay out 10 years of retirement and then a piddly death bennie...I like it! OK, I don't but that is just cause I want to meet my grandkids, but I am totally on board with the irony in trying to make us live longer, then say they can't afford it if we do! Totally agree. We can say we are warriors all day long, but our actions say we are Queep-monsters, well, then at the end of the day, we are....*sigh*. I still have a warm fuzzy for the TSgt that threw me against the wall when I was an Amn, and I am not talking Penn State style here, it was a legit military learning event...I never forgot it, and improved pretty much on the spot and forever.

You guys are forgetting the real reasons for the "new" fitness standards... namely keeping health care costs down and as a force shaping tool.

Exactly...let's end the madness and go back to the way things were, what, 3 years ago? Less than that even... If people are cheating (the so-called reason we went to the FAC concept in the first place) kick them square in the balls and RIF them or whatever. Let the rest of us who follow the rules go on with our days.

Is it wrong that I LOLed?

What irks me the most is seeing PSU students all lined up outside Paterno's house praying, like he's a victim or something. I understand the man had a legacy there in sports, but once the molestation and fornication of underaged, underprivileged boys occurs on your watch, and you do NOTHING to stop it, all that shit goes out the window IMO. I can only hope and pray that Sandusky, Paterno, and whom ever else was involved get do to some hard time, and "get a taste of their own medicine" from some well hung, undersexed, lifer in state prison.

Recall TAMI-21