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Well said, LJ. I'm currently a CE Electrical NCO, heading to CSO schoolhouse soon. I've made it clear we take care of our business within our shop, don't care how other shops/career fields operate. The OSHA comment is funny because there are attempted jacks on us by people who aren't in our career field. Been reading and enjoying all these posts about shoe directed queep at the Deid and beyond. Thought ya'll would like another perspective since CE gets to deal with alot of it. My personal top 5 shoe story favorites in my 10yrs of humble service: 1) Emergency! July '10. Power failure. Transformer explosion. Shoe: running at me. "The a/c to the buildings are down!" Me: "Yeah, because of that loud-ass boom you just heard" gesturing to the still-smoking transformer behind me. Shoe: "We can't stay in the building if the temperature gets above 85F." Me: "Then why do I have to show up and work with my guys outside in 100F daily?" Blank stare. After the job was done I get lectured about how to make the 'customer' feel we care at all times. Customer. Last time I checked I wasn't in a company. 2) I was called down from a bucket truck by a chief. Not because of no hard hat, harness, etc. Because of no reflective belt. "Chief, the belt is not arc flash rated equipment." Don't think I would like a permanent disco belt graphed to my waist. <--Bonus: Our favorite SWA location. 3) Best base award people came through therefore had to paint all street light poles another shade of Commander Brown. Why? Shoe logic: Bucket truck + only guys that can reach traffic lights= only guys capable of painting lights. Screw using JLG lifts. Nevermind the bucket truck has to be retested if paint falls on the insulated boom. 4) Shoe: I need you to source $1500 worth of solar garden lights. Me: Ok, why? Shoe: The plywood Christmas cards squadrons put out in the center median aren't properly lit up (but ok enough for cars to drive). Yeah, huge failure. Lights have disappeared from inventory. Base gardens are now brighter. 5) My first base: Base commander conducts a no notice all call because an airman pulled a gun on somebody downtown. Exact words: "If you all want to act like a bunch of gangsters and point guns at people I'll send your asses to Iraq tomorrow!" ...because I'd never get tasked to go on my own. Anybody want to help me write a book on this stuff? "The Book of Queep" Like the Chuck Norris book of facts. So insane it can't be true, or can it?

Was at the Deid in 2003, and we were drinking at the O'Club bar with some Navy Reserve C-20G dudes. One of them had "Heywood Jablome" on his name tag. One of the clueless O-5s (USAF of course) walked up to him and said "hey, how do you pronounce your last name? Is it Jablome as in rhymes with Jerome?". Dude just looked at him for a few seconds and said "Yeah" and went back to drinking.

Well said nsplayr. BL - It comes down to professionalism. The ground party is counting on MC12s to deliver FMV. Horsing around in the AOR while transiting killboxes brings nothing to the fight. Nothing. If you want to go upside down, do it in an RV 4 on your own time.

When Ron Keys was my WG/CC he called all the pilots on base to the club (back when clubs were fun) and spelled things out almost exactly like that. He told us "when you're flying I want you to picture my face in your HUD. If you can't explain to me what you're doing, you probably shouldn't be doing it." Good advice and it has served me well in every airplane since.

I'm on my way out of active duty...rest assured, I have no problem being slightly dickish to get my point across. Make sure you know the regulations that state that they must stand when a superior officer is addressing them.

Dude, here's my safety rule of thumb...can you, with a straight face, explain to the Boss why it was necessary to perform that maneuver to accomplish your mission? If not, don't do it.

Simple enough. Go because the leadership expects you to, demonstrating you're a "team player". But turn your back to them. You, and as many others you can get to do it with you. Don't talk or ignore them, or anything else that leadership can claim was "disruptive" to others. Just turn your back to them. Show leadership you really don't like having to put up with this shit, or having to go to this crappy kind of concert. You'll be there because it's a "team" thing, but you just don't like this particular waste of tax payer dollars. I'd do the same if Nickleback showed up downrange as well... Oh, and I've discovered that I really like to use"quotation marks"...

Most high profile shootings occur in "gun free zones", from Columbine to Fort Hood, to VTx2. At least they let the anti-gun crowd "feel safer" at these places...

Perhaps such sternly worded e-mails will work at the Deid too.... -----------Message----------- From: Hertz, Richard BGen USAF, XXWG/CC To: XXWG/ALL Subject: Final Warning I'm typing this as sternly as I can. There will be no more warnings on this issue: Wear your reflective belts and tuck in your PT shirts! I will have my group commanders patrolling the base 24/7 for those violating my sternly stated rule. If you are caught violating my rules, you will have to report to me in full PT gear with your commander and his commander, and his commander which is probably me, but I'll be there anyway! Your punishment will be cleaning the plumbing in the men's shower with your bare hands! //// SIGNED //// Commander P.S. And stop masturbating in the showers!

Really? If this happened those dudes are retards, they're not in their single-seat cockpit anymore or never were there in the first place. Crushing a dudes balls for busting flight discipline makes you a p*ssy now? Attitudes like that lead to: "Mishap crew...(insert 69 pages of an O-6 driven board)" & BUFF/C-17 Fireballs

I bet all the required boxes were checked and paperwork signed. We as a service are so focused on satisfying the bureaucratic hoops that we can't see the big picture.

Royal There's a technical fault on the Amazon.com page that stops us from selling the book. I'm trying to get it fixed, but Amazon doesn't dance to the beat of anyone else's drum and are taking their time. Once it's fixed I'll drop a line on here. In the meantime, you can still get the book direct from us: Y2B Publishing. Cheers Steve

This is a shocking story and I can't believe someone would actually let this happen. But then again, maybe I shouldn't be surprised when the focus of our ”leadership” is on uniform fashion statements and pushing for more ORIs.. Things like the mission, morale and dignity for our nation's heroes are all secondary.