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This addresses individual non-selection, not squadron wide buffoonery: Contact the promotion board section at AFPC and get a copy of your record 'As Met' - it's what the board saw. Schedule a 'Non-Select Counseling' appointment and invite your CC to it. Someone from AFPC will go over your record with you (via telephone) and look for errors and offer clues to your non-selection. If there are any errors or something is missing they will tell you how to fix it (may require an appeal to the Board for Corrections of Military Records) and you'll be able to have your record go before a Special Selection Board. If you get picked up from that board it will be the same as if you were promoted from the original board. If not, no harm done. If you don't have cause for the SSB route they will provide advice for strengthening your record for your APZ board. Look around the Promotion section of the MyPers website for phone numbers and more info. Best of luck.

So a couple weeks ago the runway here was closed. The fighter squadron verified some clearances and gave about 69 support people incentive sims. They were UTDs -- cockpit replicators with a flat screen but all the switches and everything work. Some of the bros taught them how to takeoff and land, fly an ILS, whatever. I tried to show them how their job fit into killing North Koreans, and why pilots (in general) are so grumpy when we have to walk over to a building and are turned away for "Training Days" every Tuesday from 1200-1630. Then afterwards, I took them over to a map and said "Here's Kunsan. Here's Osan. Here's Seoul. Here's where the North Koreans have 1000s of pieces of artillery pointed at Seoul. Here's where we are going on night 1 of the war. Here's where the North Koreans have SAMs pointed at us." The look on their faces when I showed to them how to shoot an AMRAAM, then avoid the SAM rings to drop 2 JDAMS and then get themselves and 3 of their best friends home out of harm's way said it all. One of them even said "I had no idea how hard this is, I had no concept of what you guys do. This is amazing." She got it. "What" (nice self naming of yourself, by the way), you should go get some perspective from those pilots you're deploying more than. Go find out what they do every day and what they train to do. If you show genuine interest, I guarantee it any pilot over there will explain it to you. Please figure out how you can do your job better so that they have more time to train to kill the enemy and protect your ability to donate your time on the weekends. If everyone did that, if everyone figured out how their job fits into the machine, then we wouldn't bitch. The problem is when people lose that perspective, lose the idea that their job is not the most important one on base and the world doesn't revolve around you. I'm sure you feel like you work hard, and you probably work long hours, so do we. But it sounds like you need a serious adjustment in perspective. Or don't, and continue to be part of the problem. Caveat: One CAF punk's idea. Got it, no MAF stuff, maybe a MAF dude can offer his opinion too but I don't want to spew some made up bullshit about what the MAF does.

Look, you came in here guns blazin' saying we should "stop bashing support" and that you and your fellow finance officers are the #1 deployed career field. If you'd stuck around a little while before opening up your pie hole, you'd have seen there are several members here from support career fields that provide good info and perspective to a mostly ops crowd. On your deployment claim, I provided a link that showed, with data straight from Big Blue, that the 65FX career field is nowhere near the most deployed career field. So not only are you barking up the wrong tree with a deployment dick measuring contest in a room full of frequent deployers, you were wrong. So here's some takeaways from this debrief: 1. Talk in complete, coherent sentences. 2. Know your audience. 3. Get the facts right. You and your briefcase are welcome back when you're digested those three lessons. It's not about being ops vs support or about your gender or your rank or your political beliefs or whatever...you came in here talking sh*t for no real good reason and couldn't back it up with the facts.

Yup..management is the victim here.

Two Dogs....KIO.....don't talk to the media or write a book....technique only.....holy crap I'm ashamed and was a light grey guy....someone needs to call an IP meeting and debrief this crap or you'll wind up with more "No Easy Days"! PS...nothing from a weasel or air to air scenario in the last 22 years merits a book......on the other hand CAS and PR have at it!

Not to overly pile on, but read this quote you posted carefully then think this through. This talks about deployment length for those that deployed, not average days deployed per person per year for the entire career field. So even if the 263 is accurate, it only accounts for those that actually deployed, not an average for each finance officer. So even if finance averages the longest deployments, that is not remotely close to the same as being the most deployed.

DId the players with F-22 have supplemental Oxygen?

The AF IPs at Pcola that transitioned from the Navy to the AF did not have to go through PIT. They did have to take some type of spin-up/checkride so they have an AF Form 8 on file.

No, after the initial shock/anger of being passed over for Major most of us realized that it is a blessing in disguise.

Pretty much the same in the MAF world. I was no joke deploying in 2 days and I had to finish my AFCENT checklist. When I went to the agency to get a section signed off they were closed for training. At Salem last year we put together a "be aircrew for a day" event and after 10 minutes in the 120+ degree heat they were ready to go back to their air conditioned offices. We reminded them that our MX bros spend 12+ hours turning wrenches in the heat. We also asked what they thought the mission of the C-130s were and most replied: deliver the mail and food. I guess they failed to realize that there was still a war going on just north of them. I had the chance to sit in on a Comm Sq/CC COC and one of his citations read: upgraded the morale drive with over XX gbs of movies. REALLY???

And that's bullshit too. Yeah, let's give newly winged aviators even more non-mission related BS to worry about. Seriously, I don't at all understand why anyone would want to stay in this service. It's a fucking disaster.

Completely agree. Like I said, this entire process is bullshit. A couple more things for those out there that might be going up for a Capt board in the future. If you will have 120 days of supervision before the cutoff date, you need to request/demand a draft OPR. You can build a PRF using a draft OPR, as long as it will closeout before the cutoff. Also, any work you do on casual, get an LOE. You can use the bullets from your LOE on your first OPR (if you don't have better stuff to pull from) and more importantly, your training unit can put LOE bullets on your 475. Bullets from 475s can be used on PRFs just like an OPR. This Capt board is forcing everyone to take the first couple of years a lot more seriously; you can help yourself by knowing what to ask for and what you are owed.

Absolutely, especially compared to other boards where it is usually less than 5% APZ. It just sucks for these guys who have to wait even though they may not have done a single thing wrong.

No, the escape pod on Air Force One is a 707.

When I did my Joint Planning Exercise for lesson 7 of ACSC, I used them both interchangeably with a Predator.

Late for AR? Yep.

Nothing says you cannot get some help and put into the Board for the Corrections as Huggy said AND let you chain of Command and IG know that you are going to your Congressmen for an inquiry request. You do NOT have to let the IG and chain know, but it is polite. They may ask you to wait on the Board, they may even help you with the board submittal. You do NOT have to wait for the board process. The more that do this, both at your installation and in general, the better.

Stop liking your own posts. Know your audience...no one cares if your dick is longer than anyone else's WRT deploying. You are not helping your states cause to get ops people to "stop hating on support." And I think I found the problem with the AF Crimes' data: That's not going to be very friendly to the typical aircrew deployment cycle. Multiple shorter deployments (60-120 days at a go) per year. My community until very recently did 75-on, 75-off so everyone got multiple trips per year but it seems like the way that data is crunched, they'd show up once with 75 days as the "average deployment length" which ends up being meaningless.

You forgot these sections: and finally Finance using not accurate numbers.

We were already talking. I'm prior too.. whoopee. How much of that time volunteering is taking place during your "work hours". Additionally are you still working 12~14 hr shifts as a finance officer?? Doing what? Outside of end-of-year, I've never seen finance officers burn that much oil on legit work. How much is busy work, nice to have, idea-fairy, something a Col mentioned in passing? That opinion includes my good friends who're finance now, officers and enlisted. Is all your volunteer work on the weekend? How do you fit in PT time? Do you have a family? When do you see them? My wife's been gone every 75 days for a 90+ deployment. She's not finance, she wears bags. Plus the Sq wants her to work on upgrade training and knock out that AAD. All that time is supposed to come from time with me & our kiddos. What OTS time management lessons are you applying to get all this done? I can assure you, we're not all deploying and to say as much is just nonsense. Deployments to MacDill/Stuttgart etc don't count. Deployed in place doesn't count. Did you get a Bronze Star yet? /rant Mostly what we're all amazed at with this is the large national organization (there's a fing conference) that has time to put together a magazine that aggregates all this nonsense (look at some of the numbers), but medical and finance still close for training hours, PT, not have hours servicable to those of use who work swings/mids, and still jack up vouchers. CE won't work on anything that's not a ticket, no matter the emergency. Comm Cyber can't seem to patch comptuers without breaking them, and services keeps changing the color of their khakis. As always, it's trying to look good, with out actually being good. EDIT - you liked your own post.

I'm a girl, no d**k measuring, and tell my deployed finance officers that bull. We're 6 months to a year minimum. They'll send you a personal email from their locations. Try Air Force times as a statistical resource has a super great article on the subject (we ARE #1 deployed). But you're right gray beard, this forum is definitely used to continue a crazy hate on hate against your support officers and enlisted. With that said, I'll take my briefcase and leave (wink). Small Air Force, I'm sure I'll see you around before I retire, you definitely know my name. Cheers!

Really glad I got you guys talking. As the first post referred to my bio, I'm prior enlisted medical, for 12 years, working 12 to 14 hour shifts easy, and still volunteering with my community and delivering cookies to the flyers, working with thier spouses and visiting SFS on the gate. I see a lot of excuses in the post after mine. I'm a fighter squadron (deployed) finance officer/ fighter wing (home station), finance officer working super long hours is the norm for me. Find the time to help out ALL of your community, even if its an hour a month. Don't lump me or others into one group, we're all deploying, all different and definitely ALL minimal manned. By the Way Comptroller/Finance Officers are the MOST deployed in the Air Force, Check your stats and stop blindly putting your fellow sisters and brothers down.

It's like they combined the AF's knack to come up with shitty uniforms and new tradition with Nike U's hideous jerseys. Personally I think they should have scrapped the stealth MDS's and gone with CBT's. B-2 Spirit and F-22 Raptor might be scary, but if you see "cultural competency", "CBRN" and "SABC" coming at you'll really be terrified!

Here's one I just discovered. . . Why can't we change the itinerary without overwriting the entire per diem expenses tab (i.e. the previously completed, entered, and unchanged portions of the trip)? I'm currently on a multi-destination TDY and have been updating my hotel info as I go along. I figured this would save me time and help out with the end of fiscal year goat-######. Unfortunately, I ended up arriving at my current destination two days late and when I made this minor change all my previous entries were deleted. Also, why doesn't DTS have a functional and easy to locate feedback tool for suggestions and/or bitching? The one I found after about ten minutes of searching took me to, of course, a dead URL. ###### the ######ing auto-censor! What are we a bunch of ######ing church ladies?

and their union!

Wow, came across this forum on a google search. Great job putting down all non rated officers. End of the day, here to serve with and for you. For all CGOS out there trying to make a difference, keep it up! Even one minute dedicated to community service, volunteer work, or helping to lend an ear to an overworked Lieutenant still tryint to figure it out, should be celebrated. V/r Khalisha "What" Savage When/if any of you become Wing Commanders, hopes are your mentality may change so you can look out for your "entire"military community and not just the flyers.

All of this, of course, is the fault of those greedy pilots.

Or kind of like H-model guys who've never flown the J and think you need an NCO and an officer with bad eyes bossing you around to be a real Herk pilot.

I don't know diddly squat about the captain board, but any reason why they can't do a draft OPR and push the info to a PRF like they do for other boards?