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To revive what this thread was supposed to be about... Starting tomorrow, 17 of us from AFSOC are doing a ~450 mile ruck march from HRT to the SOCOM Memorial down at MacDill to honor the memory of the guys on Ratchet 33 as well as Lt. Col. John D. Loftis, another air commando who was killed in Afghanistan the same week. It's a 24-hour team relay march and it'll take us about 6 days to get down to Tampa. There are also 2 other folks climbing Kilimanjaro in the near future as part of the same effort. The primary purpose is to remember and horor our brothers who fell in the line of duty, but we're also raising money for the Special Operations Warrior Foundation. If you're not familiar, they provide education counseling and no-cost grants to the kids of Special Ops troops who are killed on active duty. Darin left behind two young ones and we want to support them as well as other eligible children by making sure they can all go to college just like their parents would have wanted. If you're inclined to support us, we've got a facebook page with all the details as well as a First Giving site through which donations are sent directly to the SOWF. Any support from the BO.net community is greatly appreciated and if you're in the Hurlburt/Eglin/Tyndall/MacDill areas feel free to come out and ruck a few miles with us along the way. Hit me up via PM and I can give you our projected timeline. To the heroes, Ryan, Nick, Justin, Julian & Darin *Disclaimer- this event is not endorsed or sponsored by AFOSC, the USAF, DOD, or the SOWF*

Ok, whose kid got on the internets?

Please let this thread die.

Here is an example of what you can make getting out of the military. https://www.mccombs.u...Statistics.aspx I'm getting my MBA at the University of Texas and the average salary plus bonus the first year out is around $140,000 per year, and that is in Texas. I'm getting out later this year and plan to do on-campus recruiting to get a job. I made a trip to all the top business schools in the country last year and there are tons of military guys at all the top MBA programs, and the schools really want us there. Here is a screenshot of the salaries of MBA students at the University of Chicago. https://faculty.chica...namics_1209.pdf There are plenty of jobs out there making a ton of money but you may have to upgrade your skills/resume to be in a position to go after them.

Here's the link everyone's been waiting for. https://www.lucasgruenther.com/ There's 2 paypal links on there---1 for a fund for his soon-to-be-born daughter, and a memorial fund that will be used to support special people who exemplify Luc's spirits and qualities. To Gaza:

The question is, what post-military job opportunities do Navs/EWO/WSO/CSO's and ABM's not have?! I have to agree with nsplayr here, there are plenty of employment opportunities post-military. The vast majority of retired and prior-service officers I know are employed in lucrative positions. While some don't end up in aviation; most are skilled, experienced and motivated enough to find some kind of good work (and pay) once they leave the military. But of course, some prepare themselves for that eventuality better than others...

Didn't know him, but looks like he was a pretty phenomenal photographer...his website. https://www.lucasgphotography.com/Portfolio/index.htm

I have never been able to understand this. So, supposedly the military aviation profession is filled with Type A, hard-charging, "my dick is bigger than yours" competitive guys, but a lot of them have this attitude too? At least one of those assumptions cannot be true, I say both. A) I think there are all types no matter what community you come from, but more importantly, B) dudes are selling themselves way too short. If you're smart and driven enough to made in the service in the first place, promoted to O-3+, earned your wings, have flown in combat where lives are on the line, have done some PME/MA work beyond the standard college degree, and have put up with the long hours additional duties grind, I find it extremely hard to believe that your options outside the military are quite as dim as some people believe.

You think the majority of AF pilots don't already privately consider (via a combination of their motivations and aggregate actions) the AF the best paid regional airline? How much do you think the going rate for civilian pylet is at a regional? The majority of people didn't join the AF pilot ranks to pursue non-flying employment the day after their initial commitment. It is what it is. This is at the heart of the tragedy of the common AF pilot. I'm not particularly interested in the particulars of the Army WO program, I just wanted to use it to illustrate that limiting AF pilots access to a technician track has done jack shit to help with the leadership deficit. As such, the 'up or out' is a fucking failure. In the ARC side of the house they have started with the business of "vectoring" people who check a box in vPC-GR saying "I want my career managed for senior leadership". I think that's great. Unfortunately the rest of the ARC is still expected to act AD-Lite and jump through the PME 9th grade intelligence-regressing content, but that could be changed. If the 'vectoring' implementation had more teeth to it, volunteering to be vectored would keep the vast majority of AF pilots concentrating on their SQ level progressions and leave the senior level stuff outside of the spectrum of "flying planes, fvckin and earning a check". As an added, the OPR system would almost instantly see a natural grade deflation that could now be better suited to have the kind of visible graduations required to stratify few people for few jobs as opposed to a whole bunch of OPR-clones for the same few jobs. The savings on PME/AAD/AT/school TDYs would be significant as well, if fiscal restraint is of consequence to you. But the system has too much inertia to let that happen. As such and as you see displayed in the attitudes of many on here, nobody will sidestep their personal motivations in order to attempt to change something for the benefit of their peers and at the cost of his/her job/vocational satisfaction. Look, keeping somebody at Major for the price of "we won't fuck with you" is an incredible motivator for the majority of these AF pylet types. I could be so brazen as to suggest O-3 caps and you'd still have takers, though the numbers would dwindle due to what I call "all AF wives are O-5 wives" syndrome, but that's for another thread. There really isn't any decent reason to write off the technician track so flippantly as the AF does. You'll never get quality out of somebody who doesn't want to be there. This is basic dynamics of rational motivators. Why pay through the nose for said deficit?

I think the most important tribute any of us in the AF can make to men like Raz and of the AF's Vietnam warrior generation is to not allow the heritage they made (and which they carried on from the warriors who had gone before them) to die on the vine because of political correctness. I have a collection of about 60 years' worth of USAF songbooks, going all the way back to Korea. Warriors singing obscene songs -- despite what some might have you believe to further their own agendas -- is most certainly not some kind of recently-manufactured-invented heritage. Turns out, when warriors came back from risking their pink butts in MiG alley and killing enemies to freedom, they liked to unwind by drinking, smoking, and singing off-color songs.

We've castrated our DOs and CCs, especially at the SQ level. They can't make any decisions without running it by the OG and WG. The "stay in and tough it out and change things!!!!!1" mantra is a joke.

You know how I'm finally 100% sure that you're just a troll? You defended TIB.

Roger, ditching my "opinion". "The crash investigators’ evidence was sparse: “With no eyewitness accounts, surviving aircrew members, emergency radio calls or `black box’ recordings, the specific reason for the spatial disorientation cannot be determined,” the investigation said. The only personnel who participated in the pre-flight briefing were the four men who perished." Read more: https://nation.time.com/2012/10/29/too-tired-to-fly/#ixzz2B4wxOYQ1