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I can't believe I have to defend SOS, considering how much I disliked doing it in-corr, but you know there's actually no requirement that you skip the readings, get the gouge, and min-run the tests, right? You're kinda attempting to discredit the entire field of philosophy by arguing there's nothing to be had from the readings, since most of them were simple leadership philosophy readings... So what is your argument to the countless bros who spend hours upon hours working "in the shop late into the nights" and still do the PME and AAD? They should have been putting that time into the shop too? If you are working 20 hour days every day in the AF, you're doing it wrong. Period. And I don't mean you're putting too much of your life into the AF, I mean you're using your own catastrophically bad time management to blame the system. You may be a naturally gifted leader. I don't know, since I don't know you (I think). But most people in the AF, myself included, fall into the range of "some leadership abilities, with room to improve." Does anyone here know of a Flag Officer who hasn't read a shelf full of books by past military figures on command and leadership? Not just the tools, either, but the generals people on this board have hailed as saviors of the AF way; I'd bet the overwhelming majority of them have read leadership philosophy voraciously. They can't force you to read it, and they can't stop us from making and distributing gouge. I'm about as stubborn and convinced of my own strengths as they come (as some of the people here who know me can attest), but when one of those stupid readings corners me in a dark alley and forces it's knowledge down my throat (sts?), I generally walk away a wiser person, and occasionally one causes me to rethink my limited-experience philosophy on leading. SOS in correspondence as a gateway to SOS in residence is stupid. Making us do anything once to prove we are worthy of doing it again is stupid. Turning AADs into a check box instead of a tool for enriching the officer (and enlisted) force is stupid. But knowledge is not stupid, and the people who have the influence to fix this system (Liquid, perhaps? Other generals who would never admit in public they lurk this site) are going to stop listening to you the instant your argument smells like "knowledge is stupid" or "you can't learn anything outside of first-hand, combat experience." Especially when you consider how important every general with a reading list considers it.

THIS THREAD HAS BEEN MOVED FROM THE IT'S STAYING INTACT SO THERE WILL ALWAYS BE PROOF THAT CCP/PYB IS A SOCIOPATH AND REMOVING HIM FROM THE FORUMS - WHILE THE WORK OF ONE MODERATOR - WAS AN ACTION SUPPORTED BY A MAJORITY OF THE FORUM MEMBERS. - TORO When this story first broke, I thought it was likely nonsense that the verdict of the high ranking jury was reversed by a general. Just from knowing the moral character of most of the bros, and especially those who make rank, I figured the guy probably did it. Of course I don't know, nor was I on the jury so that doesn't really matter. But after hearing a rumor of this guy looking over a stall to see some chick pissing, and now seeing that this "family man" cheated on his wife and didn't even wear a rubber, I think it's pretty clear. And why would his wife lie to cover up for him? Because she made her bed, and now she's trying to be as comfortable in it as she can. A paycheck and retirement makes for good linens. And people of inferior moral character tend to be drawn together. Just another black mark brought on all of us compliments of our "leadership," and just one of several daily reminders that we are failing to recruit or develop real principled character.

Our WG/CC said that he asked his boss if the SAPR down day can apply to all the RPA caps at once said it would "send a message just how important SAPR is to leadership". We shall see if the entire 432 has the same day off. Ironically, if that happens, there will be a whole lot of drinking going on...which apparently turns most of my friends into rapists. Or at least greatly increases their opportunity to rape and what not. I stick to pillaging and plundering, there is no stigma associated with those actions.

I bet the manufacturers of all these different camouflage types are going to be pissed that their cash-cow contracts to make them may be going away.

Bringing this beauty home on Saturday, going boating in the Gulf of Mexico on Sunday...

So what is the complaint here? The ABU's suck. The ACU's suck. The Navy camo sucks. Flight suits suck. Multi-cam is awesome! (same article metioned it cost more than the ABU and ACU to roll out) I dont want to buy another uniform! But the Marines....they have it together. Are we really envious of the Marine uniform situation? Well to start they have to buy their uniforms like us. They buy desert and woodland cammies because they switch them out during the year. And you think they are going to work on a dirty aircraft with those fresh pressed beauties? There is a coverall uniform for that too. Then if they are lucky enough to fly they will need desert and green flight suits (depending on the season). Here is where the real fun starts. Then they get into service uniforms with 3 pants types, several shirt types, the green jacket, the blues jacket (leatherneck) and the associated stuff that goes on them designated by what letter uniform they will need for the day. And then if you make major you will need the actual mess dress and it costs about a grand. And PT's because if they are going to the gym they are certainly not going to be in civilian clothes.(funny enough Marines cant go into the exchange in PT gear either) And if you fly in the morning you are going to need a change of clothes to do your secondary duties because you arent going to wear that flight suit all day. How about lunch off base with the gang? Nah you can't even stop for gas in a Marine uniform. And just when the horror of Blues monday was ending for the AF, the Marines launched Service friday and that is the whole show with tie and long sleeves. So yeah we spent too much on the ABU, so now what? spend more to fix it? Maybe some "battlefield airmen" have a legit complaint but for me I'll stick with the crappy ABU's and falling apart flight suit.

Be reasonable. There's no comparison. On one hand, you have an out of control government taking advantage of its citizens, ignoring calls for reform, and assuming more power and control while reducing..zzz ...Hey, the new Superman movie is out today! Gotta go.

Thanks, Hoss for providing context to the negativity train. I don't have much for the calloused members with their opinions cemented, but I do have some advice for all the Lts and young Capts on this board. I've heard a lot of career advice like "your boss's priorities should be your priorities" and "think like your boss's boss" but I never saw the light with those words. Maybe that $h1t works on staff somewhere or as a general's aide, but my pea brain could never seem to guess those answers. What resonated with me was the idea that I should work for my peers and those below me. I could figure out what my bro needed or what was confusing the young Lt much easier than I could figure out my boss's next request, and I feel like I expended a lot of energy over the years for my peers. Saying yes to the panicked scheduler, editing anything people asked me to edit, agreeing to help out the over-tasked (fill in the blank) POC of whatever, etc. People appreciate honest help and what goes around comes around. One of my favorite quotes is Edison's "opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work." As a Lt or young Capt, you have practically zero control over the opinions of your senior rater and marginal ability to attract the attention of your Gp/CC. If you attempt to directly influence your Sq/CC, you're kissing ass. If you take care of your job, the person who's got to do your job next and your peers as much as you can, at least you'll sleep better at night whether or not you get top-down recognition. I ended up with a school slot off this last Major's board, so this approach worked in my case. Good luck foraging your own path and don't be afraid of the roads less traveled. Edited for grammar.

Kid, here's the bottom line, prison rules don't apply here. If you come in guns ablazin' you won't earn everyone's respect because they think 'whoa I can't push this kid around,' you'll piss them off because they'll think that instead of listening, you're going to spend a bunch of time defending your bruised ego, which they don't give a ###### about (frankly, no one does). Whatever the case may be, they've been there, done that, you haven't, and they're speaking from experience that far exceeds any scope of your life. Anything you say that's not just a humble affirmation that you received the message is a painful waste of time. You were wrong or screwed up, admit it, you're human and made a mistake. Mistakes can be forgiven, just learn quickly and move on, no one cares about why you made the mistake because those are just excuses. But being able to quickly understand your mistakes, learn from them, and not repeat them is a skill. If they do care, they'll ask. Some guys are going to be sarcastic dicks. That's called humor. If you're insecure or have a fragile ego, it'll get to you. If you get pissed off when someone rips on you instead of thinking its funny and joking back then that's a dead giveaway that you have an ego/insecurity/attitude problem, which is like blood in the water around guys who are professional military flight crew. If you want to have a back-and-forth about your feelings and why you did what you did, get a girlfriend. Then you can spend hours discussing a subtle non-verbal expression so she'll stop being pissed off and start putting out again. If you want to be a decent officer candidate, then do the opposite! Just shut up, listen, realize you'll screw up, and learn when you do. If you're concerned about your future family security potential, then just get out of the way because there are a thousand guys just as qualified as you (if not more) who have the same goal. The amount the military cares about you is money-spent-on-training*applicable-experience*current-manning-needs/ incompetence-of-AFPC. So for you it's probably something close to 0*0*10^(-10)/(big number). Also, nobody on here cares about you or your specific tailored needs. They want to provide information to the entire community, so keep your questions general as opposed to telling us about your personal nuclear family dreams and your feelings and other fuzzy stuff. There has been some good info on this thread and I think you asked a good question, but the way you dealt with it showed that you have a lot of growing to do if you're going to succeed as an officer.

Ha these guys are great. https://www.duffelblog.com/ https://www.duffelblog.com/2013/02/air-force-musical-showcase-ensemble-sees-tryout-surge-one-year-after-dadt/

^If that replaced the Yoko, then I defintely missed out. All the C-walking I would have done in my container would have been one hell of a morale booster.