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For me, the Air Force improves everyday...because that's one day closer to separation.

I hope our leaders are reading this thread and getting a solid grasp on what their aviators think are important. Things like uniforms, boots, and pt tests... Glad you warriors have a solid perspective on what's important (Champ and JS excluded).

I haven't seen much improvement under our current CSAF. What I've seen is a game of political chicken played over and over again regarding the budget, extreme knee-jerk reactions to several accusations of sexual harassment, and a LOT of talk about taking care of our people while the DoD looks for ways to cut benefits, pay, and retirements. I was excited about our new CSAF too, but I haven't seen a whole lot of change. At least now, wing leadership tells me they want to be "respectful of my time" before they task me last-minute with some queep-related data-gathering.

NSFW: https://i.imgur.com/KNFvX8Q.gif

Sorry to keep encouraging this derail, but I can't comprehend you guys on this one. I don't know how to be clearer. We are a military force. Being good at your job is the number one priority, obviously, but they're are things that have to be done along with that. Not being obese ought to be a given. This is yet one more reason why every other branch of the military derides the AF. Not because we have fat people (the Navy has more), but because we can't be bothered to stay in shape or care about it. This wouldn't even be a discussion in the Army. I know, I know, we joined the AF to not deal with Army crap. I agree, but come on, just do the minimum to not be fat. That's not asking too much. Most of the time you can do that without even exercising. Just eat better... If our fatties could be trusted to stay in shape, we probably wouldn't even need a test, but I bet the PT test existed long before fatties in the military were tolerated. Sick burn man! My dislike of people who make excuses for people too lazy to simply not be fat reminds you of some D Bag sq/cc you once had. Good story. It's not like I'm asking anyone to run a 9:30 during the test, just look like someone who cares enough about his own health to not need a shoehorn to fit into a uniform... I know it's probably not the case, but these arguments sound like they come from overweight people who have "accepted" themselves. That's cool in the civilian world. ETA: thankfully I spell better than amcflyboy PTs. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

There are patches in the MAAP cell? I thought that that office was filled with KC-135 pilots holding "CAS/AI planner" job titles.

So I guess this thread is the "does the PT test suck or not." Anyway, another two improvements that I have seen in my years here: - Utility uniforms that don't have to be pressed, ironed, and starched. - Boots that don't have to be shined.

Picked up a FEG AMD-65 this morning from a gun shop up near Waco. It was a six-hour round trip but it was well worth it! That's just a Russian sling I threw on it as I hate not having one on my rifles, I don't have the correct one for an AMD so that'll give me something to look for at the next gun show! Once I've got one on it, into the Gulf of Mexico she goes! Cheers! M2

Sure... I hear that. We're not going to give the Army an in-lieu-of tasking to go defend the Tawain Straight or deliver combat effects to Beijing in a contested environment. Hell, standing up for air power cost both the SECAF and AF/CC their jobs. That all said, I believe the O-4 MAAP Cell patch today can develop a coherent air plan that achieves overarching campaign objectives and spans the spectrum of conflict much more efficiently and effectively than his 90s-era counter parts.

Because that belongs in the Aviation Retention Pay thread...

I learned a long time ago that the Air Force was the best it will ever be on the day you joined. Every change they make just makes it crappier.

Give me a fat airman who can handle anything I throw at him rather than a 150 pound marathon runner who is more interested in completing their degree and punching than working as a team member to complete the mission.

Good God, stop while you're behind.

More than a few years back, at the Shaw O'club, we were deep into an evening of fighter pilot wilding. Crud, a broken door, a few broken tables (one of the F-16 squadron's table mysteriously ended up on the golf course....on fire), lots of choir practice, got invited then dis-invited to a retirement party in another part of the club when they didn't approve of our re-enactment of the formal dining room scene from the Great Santini, and other Friday Night Bar Olympics type events. Finally the crowds started to ease off. We settled into a friendly game of 4-5-6 on the crud table. With about $1,200 on the table, we aren't bothering anyone when this older gentleman comes up to the table and says, "Are you guys gambling?" A Lt. replies, "No, we are just rolling dice and we are using money to keep score." We thought that was hysterical. He then says, "Should you guys be doing this?" Someone comments, "Look, if you are going to join us, you have to get at the end of the line." More laughter. Then this older gentleman produces an ID card...... dead silence until someone says "General Nelson....welcome to Shaw, sir!" He had just taken over 9AF a couple days prior.

Back from when KC-135s had navs. What's the typical front end crew complement of a -135? One dude that washed out of pilot training and two that should've.

Now who's going to extremes? As I stated earlier in the thread I have a 32 inch waist and sit at 172 on a 6'0" frame... so I'm hardly what you would consider "overweight". I've just seen the effects of those that are pushing the waist measurement, the stress it causes them. They, and their leadership, ends up focusing on meeting some arbitrary standard rather than focusing on mission accomplishments and those results. Yes we're a military organization. But we're not grunts. We're not infantry. Most of us sit at a desk punching away at the computer as opposed to our other military brethren that are kicking in doors and sweeping villages. One job requires great physical shape, the other doesn't.

Whats the difference between a navigator and a homosexual? Homosexuals have a future in the USAF,

You're right, this wouldn't be a discussion in the Army--they don't care about waist measurement. Beyond that, I was in the Army. You have no idea what you're talking about. In general I agree we should present a fit image, we are after all in a quasi-military organization. That said, in the rank ordering of things that matter, a 32 in waist doesn't make the list. Pure style over substance.

Eat it yourself. Every thread about what sucks/improved in the AF quickly derails into bitching about uniforms, pt tests, boots, master's degrees, and other bullshit. Those topics must be very important for everyone, since you all bitch about it so often. If leaders are reading this thread they're most likely saying "Holy shit... our officers are a bunch of whiners who act like children. Our (supposed) warriors, when asked what's improved, can only come up with uniforms, boots, and pt tests, because that's all they care about. Damn!"