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I will never understand why our Generals allowed Bill Clinton to disarm us back in the 90's. Each day I carry enough weapons to destroy a city block, yet I can't be trusted to keep a .22 on my leg just in case?

Guys, can we just take the religion stuff to another thread? Let's get back to sport bitching about nonexistent leadership, broke planes, and acquisition debacles. And CBTs. And . . . And . . .

that would make sense in a reasonable democratic republic, or course thats not what we are anymore.

The constitution does not require that people check their religion at the door. It does require, however, that the government establish no religion, nor provide religious test for office. This is to protect religion and its free practice, not necessarily allow only secularists to serve in government.

Any intel on the new matrices? Refuse to bring a CAC reader home and too lazy to drive my ass into the squadron to check. Becoming very apathetic toward my "career" at this point. Maybe I'll get drunk. Aim High

In my email box this afternoon. REQUEST WIDEST DISTRIBUTION TO OFFICER AND ENLISTED PERSONNEL, THEIR SUPERVISORY CHAINS, AND UNIT LEADERSHIP Updated Force Management matrices are scheduled for release on the MyPers website on Thursday, 3 Apr 14, at approximately 1400 Central Time. Updates will be provided on the following: Enlisted Voluntary/Involuntary Matrices Updated Officer Voluntary Matrix O-4 ESERB Matrix Officer Force Shaping Board Matrix To get more information about the current Expanded Force Management programs, to include these matrices, please click the link here: https://myPers.af.mil/app/answers/detail/a_id/25484 v/r, XX, Lt Col, USAF Commander XX Force Support Squadron

DoS of 31 Jul 14 just appeared on my CDB, along with a RNLTD of 1 Aug 2014 in the RESTRICTIONS section above it. It appears the cake may not be a lie! BRB, gotta go run around the parking lot with my junk out.

Big 2. The problem is, as a society, we've started a downward spiral into the realm of everyone being whiney, politically correct and getting offended at anything they don't agree with. I'm absolutely sick and tired of hearing how everything offends someone so were no longer allowed to do/say/think it. Get the fvck over it and move on. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

1. K11M3K 2. 2007 3. C-17/unknown 4. Yes, 5 years waived.

https://www.af.mil/mobile/News/tabid/252/Article/475225/april-3-pulse-on-af-force-management.aspx Information. What a novel idea.

11M C-17 type here got his approval email for VSP a few hours ago today. No further details, but directly confirmed...not rumor.

^^ Did you submit it in 2006? Because that's when I would have expected the phrase "checking my Blackberry" to apply. Sorry man, I kid.

VSP approved. 51J, 9 years, 1 ADSC for PCS, applied 6 Feb. Notified via email. Thanks for all the information posted in here from everyone. Major

Who knows exactly how long he had...but regardless, when seconds count, the police are only minutes (at best) away. I doubt much will change after this incident--military members who are trusted with arms inside a base in a combat zone will still not be trusted with one on a base back home. Management's solution: Pretend you're a child once again and have your favorite hiding place ready to go. My thoughts and prayers are with all the victims and their families. This sucks.

This is what I constantly tell people at my local church who pray for more Christians in government, and for more "Christian" policies from lawmakers...Seems to me many of us have spent over a decade fighting against a group of people who thought their religious ideas should form the basis of their government.

I am admittedly jaded but none are "good guys" in my book when you break your word. Credibility is shot. Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App!

Thanks man, but now that it looks like I'm going to retire, I'm not going anywhere. I plan on coming thru the gate every morning at about 0715 and regaling the gate guard with long stories about my service overseas and lots and lots of questions and complaints about the pharmacy and PX.

Cool! Haven't gotten the email yet. Edit: BAM! Just got it!

Core_Values_TriSig_Signed.pdf

Touché!

Agree. People need to get over it; by in large we are a Christian country, just like Thailand is a Buddhist country. This doesn't mean there aren't other religions allowed or the "main" religion is the right answer for everyone. It's just simply the predominant choice. I don't go to Thailand and immediately start bitching about a monk praying in public or demanding they melt down statues in public places because it makes me feel uncomfortable. If you can't just politely stand there and not take part, then you're an idiot and need to get over yourself.

Can't say it bothers me at all. Just as I can't say it would bother me for a Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, or Wiccan to give the invocation. If your faith is so weak that it can't stand up to someone's expression of a different faith, you probably need to re-examine your own beliefs, not the legal jargon governing the work of chaplains. It's not that hard to stand quietly while someone offers a sincere prayer that THEY believe will help the person they are praying for.

You're right corrections made; however, out of all the info in the post the only comment is on the spelling of Welsch's name? Welsh is a tough one; it would be easier if it were Nebuchadnezzar. You're destined for 0-6. Pull that TERA app! Just kidding. I appreciate it, accept for the cussing at me about spelling errors. I am much better on a team than by myself.

It's "Welsh," and I'm certain many more than 2K applied for voluntary programs (O and E), out of the total force number you quote.

It's always seemed odd to me as well that religious prayers are routinely given at official functions under the jurisdiction of the federal government. If you don't think it's weird, try to imagine a change of command with a Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, or Jewish invocation. I could see that not going over too well.

Numerous PDF scripts for non-official POW/MIA ceremonies reference the bible, but it seems it was thrown in more as an afterthought than an actual part of the ceremony. The only official doc I found had no mention of a bible. https://www.62aw.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-120524-091.pdf The most annoying thing about the Fox News article, though, was that they incorrectly argue that the first amendment's freedom of speech allows those that are pro-religion to force official military events to continue with religious nuances or have religious undertones. I don't know about you, but I always feel a little bit weird when at a commander's call or an awards ceremony or any other random event, the commander or chaplain starts praying, sometimes even prefacing it with something like, "If you like, join us." I can always look up and see that, while there are plenty of guys going along with it, plenty of truly Christian people in the Air Force, there are also a good 1/4 to 1/3 of the people there wondering "WTF is going on?" Forcing religion directly into the mainstream military culture is not something that the AF should be doing or caring about whatsoever. The point of religion is to help bolster someones personal spiritual life.

I'll just throw this out there that I did email Lt Gen Cox directly this morning and he did in fact reply to me personally. Not worth posting here just an email from me being desperate for guidance and a short reply from him saying they're trying hard. Worth the note though to give him credit for not ripping me apart for going vfr but also not ignoring my plea. Good luck to those still waiting.

Because the constitution was written by Christians, that included the words freedom from religion....oh wait, they didn't include that.

Show me in the constitution where this is written again?