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Man continues road trip after girlfriend dies in passenger seat I wonder if her name was Edna...

This isn't Corporate America but thanks for the heads up. I'll pay attention to that fact when I decide to play in that realm.

I have always hated the "one person shits, so everyone wears diapers" method... How about a good ole fashion wall to wall ball kicking of the person that screwed up....crush him...hold him responsible for his actions. Novel concept...I know. Cap-10 Edit for me spellun goodly. Posted from the NEW Baseops.net iOS App!

So 1% of the U.S. population is good to go with a Mil ID flash. Good for us. This is what you are failing to understand. The person driving isn't the one holding up traffic. It's the Federal Agent that is the one holding up traffic! Here's how it should go- Driver pulls up to checkpoint- LE: "Sir, are you a U.S. citizen (or have you had anything to drink this evening)?" Driver: "I respectfully refuse to answer any questions" Assuming LE has no reasonable suspicion person is illegally in the country or intoxicated at that point, LE then says: "Have a good day, sir." Driver pulls away from checkpoint.

^ Who knew BQZip's mom had a twin sister?!?

The problem with the USAF is that a lot of folks try to make it cooperate America and not a military branch.

It's not a matter that the military makes an acronym for everything, it is that they seem to be actively seeking new and exciting ways to categorize things to amplify their "seriousness". It has become "good leadership" to crush people who make bad decisions when they drink, even if they didn't commit ANY crime, did not hurt themselves (or others), and didn't destroy any property. When alcohol is involved there is no longer such a thing as "lesson learned". THAT is what I'm pretty sure he was getting at.

People like this piss me off in any profession. "I'm getting more than I deserve so let's look at everybody else and assume they feel the same way." Fuck this guy.

And all this time I thought that the HF/IDP was because the wifi was spotty.

HD, I firmly believe making an example of a few offenders goes a long way in correcting any "culture" problems that may exist in an organization. And if that method doesn't work, there are plenty of more productive ways to "adjust attitudes" than such silly antics. I simply don't see the benefit of such "mass punishment," especially when there is nothing gained from it other than a bunch of pissed off troops. Increased training and/or awareness I can understand; but dress-up day just doesn't directly address the problem or provide any type of solution. Where do commanders get such ideas that it would?!? If you want them to act like adults, then treat them like adults. And when they screw up, hold them accountable. Such games are just bullshit attempts to appear to be doing something.

On the other hand, corporate America could really not give a shit what I do away from work, in most cases including a DUI.

He's probably really an okay dude, just misunderstood.

How is exercising your rights a detriment to society? It seems like you're saying anyone who exercises rights you disagree with is a dick Isn't this a direct contradiction to your own statement one sentence earlier... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I had actually never heard of the term ARI until this thread.

Our old Wg/CC would send emails to the wing distro every time somebody got an ARI...my favorite was the one describing a female Airman waking up to discover that lewd & inappropriate images had been drawn on her in Sharpie , which she angrily reported to SF (I assume). She & the host of the party received paperwork...I can only imagine that counseling session.

No, he's saying that anything you do (talking back to a chief, tripping and spraining your ankle) becomes a significantly worse event if you've had a beer, even if said beer had nothing to do with why the incident occurred. That's why if you hurt yourself off duty, the first thing they will ask you is "Was there alcohol involved?" so they can get the pain train rolling later.

You're right Azimuth, we're paying the sweaties too much!

Excellent video depicting people exercising their Constituional Rights...educational as well (and funny at the very end!). I have no problems with people voluntarily choosing to answer questions, people just need to know that it's not required, regardless if agents attempt to intimidate or coerce you. (and for Prozac, no, I'm not PYB, nor even know who he is haha)

It certainly seems like punishment in this case. If the uniform of the day was flight suits, but suddenly was changed to blues after a DUI...then, yes I would consider it punishment. Why do I, someone who did nothing wrong, need a refocus on professionalism? Yes. I've seen an officer in service dress at the front gate holding a sign after a DUI. This is nothing new...it's always pissed me off when leadership applied the, "one person shits, everyone wears diapers," leadership style. How about you just hold the person who committed the act accountable? Explain the situation, the punishment and reemphasize your expectations to your people (not via a fucking e-mail). Don't make them feel like they've done something wrong (if they have not), just because of a few dumbasses! What a crazy idea!!

I am well past it now. Just the ORF who, when not yelling at damn kids to get off my lawn, realizes that politicians, for the most part and especially in this Administration, don't give a rat's ass about folks in uniform. Great props for showing how tough they are when a crisis erupts; or for paying lip service to on two holidays a year; but mostly alien and unfathomable. Hence this Bergdahl episode blew up in this Administration's face. I actually believe they wish they'd never done it now. But it did get the VA buffoonery off the front pages, so there's that.

I don't consider blues as a punishment. But then again I had to wear blues and BDU's for five years in a different job before I flew. There are folks who wear blues four days a week on staff, bet they don't consider it a punishment. Ball kicking, demotion, stripped of instructors status, referral EPR, and TCN duty deployed for six months were given to the last guy who got an ARI....and guess what....we just had another one. So what do you do to stop the trend? Obviously I'm a realist, people are still going to get DUI/DWI's, people are still going to make bad decisions, but if you can mitigate the amount, how would you do that? Every time someone has gotten in trouble, we've had the Sq/CC Commander's call and he flat out told us what the individual did, what's most likely coming for him punishment wise, however he also tells us not to ex-communicate this individual, and to look for him, keep him on the team, help him bounce back, etc.

I don't think it's being used a punishment tool, I believe he's using it as a reminder that we're in the military and held to a higher personal accountability standard than civilians, a lot of people forget about that and need to be reminded from time to time. Wearing of blues/service dress (which we only have to wear blues tomorrow) due to discipline issues in a organization has been around the past 13-years I've been in. I remember formations in full service dress in 2001 because someone got in trouble, etc. People wear full service dress when being court martialed. I like how all of a sudden people are upset that folks are being told to wear blues to an ARI, however these are the same folks who were trying to schedule flights or sims to get out of blues Mondays a few years ago. I'm PCSing in 25-days and I'll be wearing my blues tomorrow, not bitching, because I know this isn't a message to the old guys like me, this is a message to all the new guys that you'll pay the price when you make decisions like this. Plus due to Altus being so small and a multiple MDS FTU, there are more options to get free rides home than I've ever seen at my previous four assignments. There was really no reason for this person to do what he did. If you were the 97 OG/CC, how would you approach this? Because the rumor mill has spread for the past few ARI's, and folks know what happened to those individuals (demotion, instructor status stripped temporarily, etc) who were involved in the ones since March. I can tell you that the current OG here is a lot more personable with people than the last OG. And the Sq/CC I currently have (he's about to leave this week) is the best Sq/CC I've ever had in my career. It's not an issue with commanders taking it personal, I think commanders gave too much latitude in certain areas and you'll always have some people that when given too much latitude will make poor decisions. For the most part folks here are responsible and do the right thing every day. You'll just have the 5% of people that occupy 95% of your time and resource in a negative manner.

So you would have the member (in service blues maybe?) address everyone early Monday morning and the explain or tell the story to a early am CC call? I'm not sure what "next day" action you can really do. This individual at fault has a pretty packed schedule the following duty day after this shitstorm occurs. And don't forget, no action by CC's will make them look poorly. These guys have to protect their careers as well. But since you see it as a punishment Social, how many days do you wear your blues that you aren't forced to? We do this to ourselves. I'm assuming you'd bitch if blues Monday came back even if it wasn't a punishment. And I'll follow that up with I don't wear blues unless req'd. But its the status quo we've created. Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App!

I don't see your point... you're saying because we, military folk who make acronyms for everything, use an acronym to describe a few nationally accepted acronyms that these events are worse than they were before the term "ARI" came to fruition? YGBFKM... the issue here isn't the elevation of how bad a DUI is (although I don't think society takes it serious enough) it's how to prevent them within our own society. These actions affect the mission, more so than just stripped qualifications and punishments that affect individual morale. You don't want to be in a unit that has an ARI that results in a death or paralysis (I use the acronym just for you). I agree that events shouldn't be ARI because someone had just one beer, but I'm sure stats show that often isn't the case. Regardless, I see the sarcasm in your post but I have a feeling there is some seriousness in the first two lines.

This guy's within his rights and also just kinda being a dick. These guys are doing their jobs and didn't exactly give him a hard time (only watched the first exchange). I know it's cool around here to shit on law enforcement and DHS law enforcement in particular but I guess I just don't have that particular hate in my heart. I rolled through a checkpoint between El Paso and Ruidoso recently and had an good experience. Flashed my mil ID and was told. "Thank you for your service Captain, have a great day." Took about 69 seconds off of my planned 5 hour trip.

whatever, you're all so tough behind your keyboards, I was just saying its not normal to get loaded at work, and you all tackle me. And I didn't realize this wasn't corporate America, consider me informed now.

Call me devils advocate, but bars/ drinking at work isn't normal in corporate America. Those of us who enjoy responsibly don't want to see our heritage go away, but let's get real. My parents were shocked when they came to my upt graduation and everybody was drinking at 330 at work.