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Here are three truths: 1) Physical abuse is inhumane and unlawful. It destroys our principles of justice and equity. 2) Torture creates false confessions, with the tortured person willing to say anything, regardless of their original actions or convictions. 3) We strongly desire to torture suspects because we are angry and afraid. However, torture does not make us more secure. We need the truth to fight and win our wars. Because torture is secretive, it denies the American public of justice. Sen McCain Floor Statement on 9 Dec 2014 https://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=1a15e343-66b0-473f-b0c1-a58f984db996 Sen McCain was tortured as a POW for five and a half years in North Vietnam from Oct 1967 to March 1973. David Frost's interview of Director of Central Intelligence, Richard Helms in 1978 https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/kent-csi/vol44no4/html/v44i4a07p_0023.htm The KGB operative Yuri Nosenko defected from the USSR in Apr 1964, six months after the JFK assassination in Nov 1963. "The President's Commission on the Assassination of President Kennedy" (AKA "The Warren Commission") was completed in Sep 1964. Though the KGB temporarily considered Lee Harvey Oswald for inclusion in espionage activity, but he was quickly determined unfit and refused admittance to any USSR programs. The Committee conclusively determined there was no reason to suspect that the KGB or Nosenko had actually aided or orchestrated the killing of JFK by Lee Harvey Oswald. Despite these facts, the CIA still interrogated Nosenko for another four and a half years, until March 1969. Instead of a desire to follow the law, the extended and illegal detention of Nosenko was primarily due to the CIA's fear of reprisal if they were wrong, and from disinformation from the KGB saboteur "Fedora," who had infiltrated the UN. Confessions https://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/507/transcript Anatomy Of A Bad Confessionhttps://www.wbur.org/2011/12/07/worcester-coerced-confession-i Proof that even harsh verbal interrogation without physical torture frequently results in false confessions, particularly when the interrogators are impassioned. Finally, the US Supreme Court unanimously ruled in Brown v. Mississippi way back in 1936 that convictions based on confessions under duress are unlawful. Torture is morally wrong, it is illegal, and it fails in its’ goals. The new “The Committee Study of the Central Intelligence Agency's Detention and Interrogation Program” (aka the “CIA Torture Report”) again supports these truths. Why do we continue to pursue torture?

Didn't it use to be that officers were the ones that came up with the bullshit and SNCOs were the crusty old dudes who knew exactly how to cut through the bullshit and get the job done? wtf happened?

Alright, I'm going to revive this thread with some good and informative news: At the time of this writing I have made the following progress: -I was granted a Conditional Release (DD 368). This had to be signed by the Aviation Branch Chief, a LTC position at HRC (I'm AD). To my understanding, for guard/reserve, it only has to be the first LTC in your CoC (don't quote me on that, it's just what I've heard). -I was selected by the 187th FW, Alabama ANG!!!!! This was after I had a signed Conditional Release. It was most likely necessary to have this DD 368 pre-approved, for a unit to even select me. Also, to restate: there is no more Air Force Fixed Wing Qualification Course. UPT is the only way to get in, and you must be in UPT before your 30th Birthday. -I have submitted my resignation to the Army This is in the form of an Unqualified Resignation. Again, having the DD368 already signed is a huge deal. This will be my last post for a while. Please send me specific questions through the PM feature. The last thing the Army Aviation Branch chief wants is a bunch of Army Aviators asking for a DD 368. Keep in mind that I had already spoken about my intentions to my entire Battalion chain of command and my air-frame branch chief before I email the Aviation Branch Chief. I firmly believe that this was instrumental in my success in getting a DD 368, as was the fact that the Army is currently downsizing. Just emailing the Branch Chief alone will most likely result in failure, as well as the burning of any bridges you previously had, in addition to destroying any chances you might have had at transferring to the Air Force. Be respectful, you can't guarantee that you'll be transferred. I will update this thread about my progress one I'm officially out of the Army and into the Air Force. Until then, thank you to everyone who helped me get this far - to pursue my dreams and expand on my military aviation career. I am in debt to many!

Awesome xcraft, congrats! Feels good when all the hard work pays off!

This is why I am leaving. 1. Not everyone wants to go to school but the big AF thinks differently. 2. However, if you don't go in-res you won't ever really have a chance at SQ/CC or higher. 3. SOS instructor prestigious? Mine was fired from his last job and was clearly not on the fast track. WTF? 4. DG. It never stops in the AF. Your next OPR, next assignment, upgrades, schools and the constant competition to get ahead never stops. Just so you can be SQ/CC or higher where you will likely be a puppet to your OG or WG/CC. It's always something that the AF is holding over your head to get you to perform. I'm sick of that damn attitude and the queep that we create for ourselves. This place has become an utter clown show.

Honest question: what is your position on black people?