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Not gonna lie... When I clicked on this thread, I was expecting more sentiments along the lines of "fuck 'em" than the "evil/immoral" comments I'm seeing.

This will definitely make piss tests more interesting...

How fitting that she, like the vibrator, was charged with battery

So was the CIA just incompetent (thinking that torture would work when it supposedly didn't) or were they just evil--ie they knew it wouldn't work but they just wanted to do it anyway? If they were incompetent then why didn't they know better and should they have known better? And if they were just being evil and just wanting to inflict harm, then why were they so evil and why couldn't they control themselves? Is the CIA (at least in this capacity) filled with a bunch of guys who don't know what they are doing end just enjoy hurting people for the fun of it? And if its the later, why won't there be any prosecutions? ...or is there more to the story somewhere?

I don't doubt that is true, but it would be even more disgusting than just trying to claim that the 'enhanced interrogation' wasn't torture. For all the congressmen arguing that the information garnered from the program saved lives: I take that to mean that you believe torture is acceptable when it's convenient for us. Go ###### yourselves. Whether it works or not (it doesn't) isn't even a conversation we should be having.

Or better yet, her name is Heidi Creamer!

Here are three truths: 1) Physical abuse is inhumane and unlawful. It destroys our principles of justice and equity. 2) Torture creates false confessions, with the tortured person willing to say anything, regardless of their original actions or convictions. 3) We strongly desire to torture suspects because we are angry and afraid. However, torture does not make us more secure. We need the truth to fight and win our wars. Because torture is secretive, it denies the American public of justice. Sen McCain Floor Statement on 9 Dec 2014 https://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=1a15e343-66b0-473f-b0c1-a58f984db996 Sen McCain was tortured as a POW for five and a half years in North Vietnam from Oct 1967 to March 1973. David Frost's interview of Director of Central Intelligence, Richard Helms in 1978 https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/kent-csi/vol44no4/html/v44i4a07p_0023.htm The KGB operative Yuri Nosenko defected from the USSR in Apr 1964, six months after the JFK assassination in Nov 1963. "The President's Commission on the Assassination of President Kennedy" (AKA "The Warren Commission") was completed in Sep 1964. Though the KGB temporarily considered Lee Harvey Oswald for inclusion in espionage activity, but he was quickly determined unfit and refused admittance to any USSR programs. The Committee conclusively determined there was no reason to suspect that the KGB or Nosenko had actually aided or orchestrated the killing of JFK by Lee Harvey Oswald. Despite these facts, the CIA still interrogated Nosenko for another four and a half years, until March 1969. Instead of a desire to follow the law, the extended and illegal detention of Nosenko was primarily due to the CIA's fear of reprisal if they were wrong, and from disinformation from the KGB saboteur "Fedora," who had infiltrated the UN. Confessions https://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/507/transcript Anatomy Of A Bad Confessionhttps://www.wbur.org/2011/12/07/worcester-coerced-confession-i Proof that even harsh verbal interrogation without physical torture frequently results in false confessions, particularly when the interrogators are impassioned. Finally, the US Supreme Court unanimously ruled in Brown v. Mississippi way back in 1936 that convictions based on confessions under duress are unlawful. Torture is morally wrong, it is illegal, and it fails in its’ goals. The new “The Committee Study of the Central Intelligence Agency's Detention and Interrogation Program” (aka the “CIA Torture Report”) again supports these truths. Why do we continue to pursue torture?

Honest question: what is your position on black people?

Thanks for the response; despite your anger towards me for pointing out your bigotry, you almost made sense. Couple more questions for you: - How are we expending "attention, funds, and asspain" to accommodate said individuals besides just allowing them to serve? - Are you also against females serving since their PT standards are different? - What standards were changed after the repeal of DADT? Also, crews get hand-picked for missions all the time, so not real sure what your point is there.