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But we won't. Because the US isn't prepared to fight people like this. The US doesn't realize that in order to fight pigs, you must be prepared to get muddy: physically, mentally, and morally. If we aren't ready, willing, and able to take what ISIS gives, multiply that by 100, and hand it right back to them with brutal efficiency and no quarter, then we have no business engaging with them in any kind of war. Because we will only lose. So long as we hamstring ourselves with "moral high road" ways of fighting wars and the resultant idiotic ROE that only serves to get our own people killed while preserving the lives of the enemy, then we will only lose in any war we get involved in. Especially against people like this.

Yet liberals everywhere call Chris Kyle a psychopath because he called radical Muslims "savages." If immolating a man inside a cage on film does not make the cut for savage status, I don't know what would.

"They hate us cuz they ain't us"

I said Oops

The system relies on a number of questionable assumptions and processes. "Shiny penny" moved to group, "shiniest penny" moved to wing...associated group/wing stratification follows...next stratification based largely on preceding stratification...promotion/school based on "good stratifications"...assignments based on school...command based on assignments...promotion based on command. What if the right penny wasn't sent to the wing, only the best penny we had at the time we were asked? What if being the wing exec wasn't the best way to develop that individual into the leader we assumed they would become? Certainly the PME system will pick up the slack for any possible short comings of the process, right? Who in their right mind wants to be the fucking wing exec? The process works outside of this stream, but it's easier if we use this shit...let's us avoid actually putting in the effort to mentor, lead, and evaluate potential. I can see why "good bros" get fed up. It takes more than just being good...it takes getting recognized for being good. But, after all this, that's not really any different than any other place. How are we supposed to go about doing it better, when it obviously works so well? Bendy

Well, POTUS is certainly coming out with a very aggressive tone - I'll go ahead and call that response one of the weakest possible ways to respond to something like this, that I can imagine. He would have been better off not saying anything at all, but was trapped (and therefore had to respond) because of the presence of that visiting head of state. See story (linked-to) earlier. Oh, and I feel like he's got our back, and he'll really let us go kick some *ss. I hope some of you young dudes you get the opportunity to degrade and ultimately defeat them (somehow). Seriously, for those downrange - I pray for your safety. FM edit: Didn't know this would start a new page, changed reference to "earlier" article, rather than "above."

No I really don't think they do, too busy with idiotic stuff like "Deflategate", Super Bowl, Anti-Vax hysteria, what Kim Kardashain is wearing today etc.

If this is what they do to a prisoner from a muslim country that was actively negotiating with them, what would they do if they got their hands on an American pilot? Would we launch a ground campaign to get him back? If the answer is no, we need to get out of the IS bombing business until we have the stomach to do what is necessary to defeat them.

If your big on the history WWI battlefields are worth a look to, especially up in Belgium.

But Chang is the officer the AF deserves...

https://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/02/03/new-isis-video-purpotedly-shows-jordanian-pilot-being-burned-alive/ I am at a loss of words. Not that what they did before was any better, but these guys need to be exterminated.

I'm talking about the guys who really want to be a execs to get close to the boss, etc. Let's face it. The USAF cares a lot more about how you handle the OG's schedule and outlook skills than it does on how well you fly or many lives you've saved as far as career progression into leadership billets.

Yes, young guys should strive to be the pilot turned exec that wants to climb the big blue ladder. I don't know Vetter but I know many good dudes who were great bros, terrific pilots and could have been awesome leaders had they stayed in. Likewise I know many dudes who used to be good dudes, decent pilots but traded it in to sit exec so they could go to school and get a strat. Given a choice is full my sq with dudes like Vetter over the USAF golden children anyday based on attitude alone. Face it Chang, the USAF leadership tracking system is balls-ass-broke! It's why the USAF is a shitshow held together by the hard tactically job focused workers who get punished by the system while ass-licking ball fondling square fillers get promoted.

So the AF pulled a bunch of bullshit on Vetter (and on a lot of other dudes), he decided it was best for him to get out vs. eat the "Capt until 20" shit sandwich and somehow he's putting himself ahead of others? I don't know Vetter personally, but I do know several good dudes in the same situation he was in - none of them were shitbags or bad officers, they simply got thrown to the side by an AF who doesn't give a shit about anyone. Let me guess, you're one of those people who thinks those who get out pre-20+ are selfish, screwing others, don't understand the meaning of service, etc. We certainly need good dudes to stay and be good leadership in the future, but those who do not want to take that path are not bad officers or putting themselves above others. They did their time and gave a shitload more than 99% of this country - good on them, they deserve a "thanks" at minimum, not this bullshit.

Obviously the President needs a new plane in order to continue to supervise the execution of our flawless foreign policies...

Young guys reading these posts: this is the exact type of officer you do not want to be like. For every Vetter, there's 10 officers putting others ahead of themselves. Seek out those guys/gals for mentorship and avoid the "Vetters" of the Air Force like the plague.

Guys, I have clearly failed to properly communicate here, and for that, I apologize. I do not, in any way, begrudge Vetter or anyone else who leaves the service; on the contrary, I salute them. My frustration is with the asinine posts on BODN that Vetter makes...it's enough to make a young guy question volunteering. Nothing Vetter has posted here in the last few days can be used to move the conversation forward. That's the kind of officer our young guys shouldn't emulate. Sorry for not being clear. GC Agree. di1630's post is ridiculous and bitter. THIS is what I was referring to...not leaving the Air Force.