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It was partially about appearances. The foreign military I dealt with were all non-rated. The only pilots I met were on social occasions. My boss was honestly just afraid to make the change. During the discussion, he no kidding said "you guys have a reputation for getting shit done" and he was reticent to get rid of the ridiculous rated requirement. That's from a non-rated dude. If a loggie feels that way, he is not the only one. My position was a holdover from an old CAOC where there were a ton of rated dudes there before. There was no reason to hold on to it, but I digress. You're a moron. Someone who insecurely throws out obscure words to impress the bros and cover for his inadequacies in other aspects of life ought to be smart enough to read my first sentence. I made a general statement (used the word "generally") and never argued that there was an inherent superiority among all of us. We have tons of douchebags that produce very little in the Viper community. Some get weeded out, but some stick around. In general though, we are more results oriented than a lot of support career fields. Others like us: SOF, MX, CE (specifically EOD and firefighters), SF (I flame them routinely, but never for work ethic). That's not a complete list. I will eat my words when a flying squadron that I'm in: - Turns into a ghost town at 430...just because it's 430 - No kidding locks the doors when we have some down time (maybe weather CNX a go and end up doing training) - Shuts down during the duty day to farewell someone on something other than a pre-planned wing down day - Shows up 2 hours late to do PT (ie, go play fvcking ultimate frisbee) That shit is routine is some places. Yes, I am calling out their work ethic. It's no surprise we end up waiting on things like orders and pay when those practices are condoned. It blows my mind that we all agree that treating everyone the same is BS, yet when someone actually points out the differences between us some nancies get all butthurt. Cultures and work ethic vary greatly around the Air Force. Some of it might be inherent and be the reason why certain types end up in certain places; some of it is likely learned. It takes almost 3 years to make a wingman and not all that learning is in the jet. That's a little different than a 3 month tech school followed by office hours (except of course when closed for training or a farewell).

I've started a conversation with BMAQ (owners of JQP blog), in hopes of leading to flyingsquadron.com having a sub-forum that auto builds a thread with each pre-existing and new JQP blog. This would be a great way for each post to have it's own discussions within BO.net. I literally just submitted an RFI today, so who knows what the lead turn will be.

No one will care as long as you're not a douche.

The way this thread turned into a bitch session between 2 dudes is why I rarely come here anymore. The back and forth should be in a PM. Sorry but it's 2:50 am, I'm tired, and 15 min from engine start.

Yep. Also infuriated. Every fucking year we get officially harassed about Information Assurance/Information Protection/Cyber Awareness/etc., and every fucking time I log onto a .mil computer on base I get several popups telling be how I'll be burned at the stake if I let PII out of it's encrypted and access-controlled cage. Then a .gov agency with more of my personal info than the fucking IRS says they didn't bother trying to encrypt because "their hardware is too old". Fat lot of fucking good that one year of credit monitoring will do if the Chinese (or whoever they may sell/trade the data to...) decide 6-9 years from now to get really asymmetric WRT cyber warfare.

The problem is that the COCOMs are smart. They know an 11X is they type who gets shit done. In general, an 11X gives a shit about hacking the mish more so than punching a clock, hanging out at the bra or gathering enough BS bronze stars to look like a Panamanian dictator. The same cannot be said about a lot of other support types. Flame away at me if you want, but that's why they want to keep operators in jobs they perceive as important - even if said job has little to do with actual operations.