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I'm interested if it's an MB3 with wings only. No other reference to the AF.

My community has a similar disinterest in an airframe specific watch. I do see the appeal, however, of a well-made simple watch with radiator wings; especially if it has a zulu hand. I could also see something like that having broad based appeal with the UPT crowd.

That is an interesting point. For the non-rated types, does big blue have any tactics to keep you from sniffing free agency or is it just a series of PCS and school ADSCs? Do they try to hit you with deployments when you are new at your base so you still have PCS ADSC and can't 3-day opt it? If this is a factor, it's a dangerous game to play with flyers right now; hardly a day goes by without seeing one of the bros posting an airline interview or hire notification. Edited because Siri screws up everything

How about EABODs?

It's devolving into the standard support vs ops argument. Yawn... I'll leave it at this. Just because the door gets locked at 1630, doesn't mean Airmen aren't still working. I've got many flyer friends and family, and perhaps it's the different airframes, but I've seen Ops Sq's shutdown for farewells, naming's or other (awesome) heritage events. Sure, there's still a crew or 2 out flying, but I've still got someone manning the CFP and doing high-priority tickets/outages. The Ops Sq's here play football for PT and show up after 0900.. except for the crews flying or mission planning. But again.. the Cyber Amn I've got working tickets/outages... don't go to PT. On an interesting note we did close the CFP on Fridays for training. Because the AF decided to separate a ton of experienced NCO's and deploy the rest I've got a ton of Amn who completed tech school.. but really can't do anything. Do you guys have customers that walk in? Classes are had, tasks are checked off, learning is accomplished and experienced is shared from the (no kidding) 1 hot-shot TSgt we've got. We can't do that with customers walking in. It's show significant impacts to ticket numbers going DOWN, but it still sucks we're closed on Fridays.

It was partially about appearances. The foreign military I dealt with were all non-rated. The only pilots I met were on social occasions. My boss was honestly just afraid to make the change. During the discussion, he no kidding said "you guys have a reputation for getting shit done" and he was reticent to get rid of the ridiculous rated requirement. That's from a non-rated dude. If a loggie feels that way, he is not the only one. My position was a holdover from an old CAOC where there were a ton of rated dudes there before. There was no reason to hold on to it, but I digress. You're a moron. Someone who insecurely throws out obscure words to impress the bros and cover for his inadequacies in other aspects of life ought to be smart enough to read my first sentence. I made a general statement (used the word "generally") and never argued that there was an inherent superiority among all of us. We have tons of douchebags that produce very little in the Viper community. Some get weeded out, but some stick around. In general though, we are more results oriented than a lot of support career fields. Others like us: SOF, MX, CE (specifically EOD and firefighters), SF (I flame them routinely, but never for work ethic). That's not a complete list. I will eat my words when a flying squadron that I'm in: - Turns into a ghost town at 430...just because it's 430 - No kidding locks the doors when we have some down time (maybe weather CNX a go and end up doing training) - Shuts down during the duty day to farewell someone on something other than a pre-planned wing down day - Shows up 2 hours late to do PT (ie, go play fvcking ultimate frisbee) That shit is routine is some places. Yes, I am calling out their work ethic. It's no surprise we end up waiting on things like orders and pay when those practices are condoned. It blows my mind that we all agree that treating everyone the same is BS, yet when someone actually points out the differences between us some nancies get all butthurt. Cultures and work ethic vary greatly around the Air Force. Some of it might be inherent and be the reason why certain types end up in certain places; some of it is likely learned. It takes almost 3 years to make a wingman and not all that learning is in the jet. That's a little different than a 3 month tech school followed by office hours (except of course when closed for training or a farewell).

I can't tell if you're serious. Umbrage? Seriously?

BRIDGE OF SPIES Looking forward to this one. --- PK...

Gearpig nailed it - what's the difference between ARC and AD? If there is to be no difference (like apparently some ANG leadership want to keep money flowing), then why does the ARC exist? I hope for the ARC dudes sake, they at least allow 90 day splits in these deployments. Its BS for any of us AD guys to shit on them and call it whining - guess what, we're on AD by choice, those guys made another choice and I'm guessing a big part of their's was the lifestyle/ability to have a civilian career while still contributing to the military/country. Maybe an airline dude wouldn't have an issue going for 6 months, but I can't imagine a business owner, project manager, etc. leaving for 6 months and having no issues coming back to that job...just to do the same thing again 1-3 yrs later. Regardless of what the law says, there's no way that won't effect them negatively.

Never put jalepeno juice into a hot kettle. That is how mustard gas is created. [citation needed]

It's not that obscure...I'm sorry you're intimidated by it. Your post did nothing but further convince me that you don't know what you're talking about. Incidentally, I'm not defending the many douche nozzles in many of the support agencies that frustrated the shit out of me by closing for training 7 out of an 8 hr duty day, etc... It's one the reasons I'm very happy to be retirred. What I'm saying is that I've seen plenty of douche nozzles on the rated side, and some shit hot dudes in non-rated AFSCs. Your post, to me, comes off as naive and immature.