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My position is that you need to STFU and listen to the advice folks on here are giving you. One position of mine is that I am a Baseops Moderator and have noticed that you are very lippy and seem to have a comment on just about everything. Over 100 posts in a month.

STFU everyone...you arguing about landing for F-cks sake. JTFC, you aren't doing combat night traps on a carrier in bad wx. If you find landing your aircraft tough, the rest of the flying must be pretty damn lame. Nobody cares. Back to ACP discussions please.

My penis is bigger than all of yours. Because I fly a ______. Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk

I'm a fighter guy, and I love giving tanker guys a hard time, but expressing a belief that the 135 is easy to fly sounds like something an ignorant finance officer might say if he wandered into the wrong corner of the internet. Did someone let scoobs change his username again?

*pile on the the block 16 info: I was a previous t-6 FAIP, and while I had left AETC, I had never stopped flying before getting asssigned to the t-38. I tried to twist that to say I had meant the letter of the law - I had transitioned between AETC non-MWS aircraft without a break in flying (I had never stopped flying, even though the tour in the middle was operational) - but the intent is switching trainer aircraft back to back, so they shot me down there as well.

I was in a similar situation (only 2 years left on UPT 10-yr commitment) when I got the assignment to PIT - my options were to accept a 3-yr ADSC or 7-day opt. I cited note 1b, they replied with note 1c (because I had never been -38 qualed before) and I took the 3 years (instead of what I assume would be something like an ALO in Djibouti for my remaining 2 years...)

It doesn't matter what you flew in UPT, because you were never officially qual'ed in that aircraft (no form 8). So AFPC views PIT as an initial qual, which means you pick up the full 3 years. As far as block 16, read a little closer - it says "...(no) break in flying between AETC non-MWS aircraft..." The way I (and other personnel it's I've talked to) read this is if you switch trainer airframes within AETC (i.e., switch from t-38 to t-6 for a command opportunity, etc) then you don't pick up a 3 year adsc, even if it is an initial qual. There still is the problem with notes 1b and 1c being contradictory (my situation, posted earlier), but basically, if you are getting an initial qual (i.e. Your form 8 says "INIT" on it) you will pick up a 3 year adsc, even if that takes you past your 10 year UPT commitment. I don't agree with it, but when I tried to fight it, I lost. YMMV.

Check out AFI-36-2107 pg 7 block 16. There is a note about no breaks between mws and aetc pit that should mean you dont have to take the adsc. Put your lawyer shoes on and press to test.

Was telling my grandfather about the bonus. He shook his head. The stories I grew up with about how much fun the Air Force used to be from my grandpa were off the hook. Just a different culture. He'd tell me stories of taking planes which he had no training airborne after giving the crew chief a bottle of scotch, meeting his buddies and deciding last minute to take a jet to say they went Mach 2 in an F-106 or using a bomber to give a civilian friend a ride across country to go party. Now that was a while ago but heck, even in FTU 15 years back my IPs told of the glory days where everyone would go XC in Eagles, hogs, phantoms, you name it to party at Randolph. Good ole days in an Air Force with spare time, Cold War budgets and pilot centric. In 20 years, people will say we had it good. My Quals-I landed on the carrier first try when I played top gun on the 8 bit NES in 1987.

So what's your plan? Troll college campuses and hope a dark-tinted van of over-sexed bikini clad coeds stops and asks me if I'd be interested in being their "oil boy"

Actually, you're pretty close to being exactly wrong. - Pilot pay was 50% of base pay--starting in flying training. Even if pilots' total pay not have seemed spectacular, a couple living on a Captain's salary at Maxwell could live like royalty, with a live-in maid - The workload was much easier. Shockingly, America's interwar isolationism meant airmen's workloads were not terribly onerous. "Equitation"--to include a healthy amount of polo--comprised a substantial part of the ACTS syllabus. Oh yeah--they got paid for their polo ponies - The free housing was pretty sweet, too. What counts as Colonels' housing at Maxwell now was Captains' housing in the interwar years - Pilots had way more social prestige. Back in the day, ridiculously wealthy people often had great respect for airmen, and were happy to hang out with them. It probably helped that a lot of aviators were graduates of Harvard, Yale, Stanford, M.I.T., etc. George C. Marshall and Hap Arnold both came from prominent families. With air travel commoditized, the social respect dynamic has changed substantially - It's noteworthy that interwar pilots led pretty darn good lives, with ridiculous numbers of parties and other social engagements--on one salary Monetary and other social incentives aren't everything, but they're a big deal. If the Air Force wants to retain good people, it's gotta be willing to pay for them. TT

I think there should be no bonus, and a six-year UPT ADSC only.

I don't get it. Are you saying I lack sufficient motivation to assist in needless foreign rabble rousing while being stationed in low income, low population areas where I'm not able to fully enjoy my 20s, 30's and half of my 40's? I guess you're right. However, pay me more and promise me $45-50k for the rest of my life (to do nothing) and I'm willing to 'make the sacrifice'. No world wars going on right now that require a Patton or a Mitchell. Just bullshit conflicts that we instigate, just because... Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk

Best IP around!

LOL at this entire discussion, but especially this:

Guardian- stop asking other folks to qualify their positions or state their airframe when you refuse to do so yourself. RPAs are not hard to "fly".

Thanks Guardian. I hated the Tanker by the way. Was thrown into it out of T-38s back in '08 so I am just thankful I got a plane back in the day where we were overmanned in fighters (lol). But yeah, the plane's terrible. The guard was fun, lots of Pacific AEs flying nurses from Travis to Hickam and partying on the beach. That was the hardest part of flying the tanker, picking one nurse to go back to the hotel with... I jest, I jest... Or do I?

Guardian. Glad it takes so much skill to fly whatever it is you don't want to tell us you fly. Unless it is the U-2, it isn't harder to land than the 135. The KC-135 mission is by far one of the, if not the easiest flying missions in the Air Force. I can say that as a prior KC-135 guy. I spent 3 years flying as an associate with a KC-135 ANG unit which had airline guys who came to us from the Viper, Eagle, Hawg, Harrier and Hornet. Their previous missions were undoubtedly more complex than anything we did, however every single one of them took a considerable amount of time to figure out how to land the bitch. It takes new co-pilots on average a year to land consistently. Believe it or not, your Evaluator experience and hard fought CFI doesn't directly translate to every plane in the Air Force inventory. Unless you have flown the tanker you have no credibility to talk bro. Just like I have no credibility to tell you how easy it is to airdrop or do a 2v2 or fly the president or whatever you claim to do.

Show me where it says you have to be a rated military pilot vs student pilot. The same thing holds true of civilian pilots. Is a civilian student pilot not a civilian pilot? Yes they are. They have the same third class medical certificates as certified or rated civilian pilots. Again rating is not tied to this requirement. Just that you need to be in some status of a military pilot with a corresponding medical. Until I see otherwise it doesn't seem that your argument of official documents (which are cited nowhere in the FARs that I can tell) are required to prove that you are a military pilot for the purposes of having the pilots version of a medical and be on some status as a pilot. Even more reason of the FSDOs don't agree to then take it to the people who write the regulations and ask instead of making up requirements.

PM me your .mil address, our wing has some pretty good PowerPoints/info on it

I went over there as a non vol staff weenie. The orders were a gift on my 18 year, 360th day in the AF (no shit). Pretty much every prior E gets hit with these so I knew it was coming. I let it roll, because I wanted to roll the dice vs not having to serve a sentence at the 'Deid. I flew quite a bit as a "guardian angel" which means that while the IPs are trying to teach the Afghans to fly airplanes, you sit in back, ready to cap one that gets out of hand. I'm a 39 year old dude, and not made to run around with full body armor on every day, yet that's what I did. Even as a staff weenie, I still had an Afghan counterpart that I was trying to "mentor". As far as the flying goes, the Afghans are pretty terrible at it as a general rule. If you have never had the opportunity to teach a C-130 "AC" that he needs to keep one wing low when landing in a cross wind, this is your opportunity. Everything you do is dangerous. I raised my rifle with intent to shoot over two occasions in the one year I was there. I didn't end up pulling the trigger for different reasons each time, but the threat was still there. Had a truck bomb go off right outside the base gate one morning. If I had not been lazy, I would have been right by it on my morning run. Two of my former office mates were killed two weeks ago when their helo Caught a mooring cable from an aerostat on a routine visit to headquarters. Getting out of there in tact both physically and mentally is about luck, not skill. The mission is pretty hopeless, and you will come home disgruntled at both the Air Force and the 16 years of terrible foreign policy our country as a whole has had. Oh, add on to your 365 two months at lovely McGuire AFB under GO 1 for Air Advisor training, where you will receive a code on your SURF saying that you can do that and are highly susceptible to having to do it again. Overall, I'd take the Deid any day over that place. I promise I will write more coherently when I have not been drinking. Please feel free to fire away with further questions. That job + all the extraneous factors going on in the AF I joined 20 years ago made me push the button for retirement. I'm done. They took away any love I might have had left for our service. Sorry I can't speak more to the guard/reserve aspect, but I might be able to come up with what I remember when I have not been going shot for shot with my wife for every kid at our door who is that bitch from Frozen.

Sky is not falling...between rapid influx of 18x and new enlisted RPA program, things will settle in the next few years. No panic in the P-gon.

Things that don't require bottom of pilot training class to graduate. And yes I knew Trey for 6+ years.