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Another thread that you guys make me LOL in. https://www.afpc.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123470944 The PSDM with the selectee list should be out early next week on mypers. The folks heading to McConnell and a few going to Altus will complete Type-1 (Boeing Contracted) training. Others will be the small group try out class at Altus. Training should occur in the next year.

The only one I know of was about 6-9 years ago - prior army helo WO, but crossed into the blue and became a normal active duty 2lt in the AF. The AF didn't care about his prior time, he went through the full UPT syll, and in the end got FAIPed (because he was still a Lt - they won't faip a late rated Capt, because they care about rank/hurting your career, but they don't care about age). He then went on to fly Vipers. I can PM you his contact info if you'd like. I'll ask the AETC nerds around here if anything has changed since then. I think the reason the other cases mentioned above are different (abbreviated syllabi, etc) is because of the guard/reserve aspect. If you want to compete for an active duty fighter, you have to compete on the same playing field as every other active duty UPT stud.

I bet Blues Monday reappears.

I gladly filled it out!

Per the CSAFs rated manning plan, 11Fs are not allowed to go to T-6s except for a case by case basis (the only one I've seen is a command opportunity) . Even back when I was in t-37 UPT (9 years ago) the only 11Fs were one flight cc, one reservist, and the commander. Now that very few 11Fs are even going to -38s, all the 11Bs are going to the -38, which leaves nothing but 11Ms to teach phase 2. Not a bad thing, they can teach it fine, however the lack of being able to talk to the different communities prior to track select is a disservice.

When I was at CBM there was a class that had an Army Blackhawk pilot turned ANG guy in one of the classes. He had wings, tons of hours, etc etc but still had to go through T-0 all the way to graduation just like every other stud. I also saw a couple airline pilots who were picking up ANG gigs go through. Same story. Previous flying matters 0 to Big Blue. They (AETC) don't care what previous experience you have, but your class will definitely appreciate it as long as your not a jackass. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

As an instructor in UPT I saw a few dudes pushing 30. Wasn't uncommon and typically their maturity was appreciated. As far as priors, I didn't have any of those helo or Army types in my flight room but someone else may have.

Plenty of dudes who tracked t-1s could have done just fine in -38s. I'd say most of the top T-1 guys would do good, it's the bottom of the T-1 class that doubtfully would have made it but you never know. There is a certain truthfulness when you say it's completely realistic for a person who washed from -38s to do fine in T-1s, but not vice versa. Some commanders tried to argue this, it didn't go over but I think we lose some potential pilots who would be just fine in a crew jet. Give me a dude with a killer drive and attitude to fly fighters over the reluctant top stick T-6 student anyday though. UPT performance is not always a great indicator. I had some T-38 students who we thought were lucky to get a fighter back in the day, now they are patch wearers, community leaders etc. Likewise some of the DG's were sh-t in their fighter.

University of Management and Technology. Completely worthless degree with a high school level effort.

Um, duh! ENJPPT is obviously better because only the top ROTC/AFA guys go there! Everyone knows valedictorians make the best pilots! Besides, everyone there gets a fighter, right?? They wouldn't do that if it wasn't the best base!

............ and I assume you present this gracious ray of enlightenment because you've somehow had the distinct honor and privilege of being both a student AND an instructor at all four UPT bases?

Big picture, I say go to UPT if there is a choice between a wait and starting immediately. I thought I had the option to go ENJJPT while I was in ROTC (#1/6, 3.8, 99 PCSM, SP) and applied, thinking I wanted to go fighters. When I found out I didn't get it, I was pissed. Apparently, my det/cc, who was new, saw my speeding ticket I got right before packets were put in and bumped me down to #2, even though I was #1 for the last 5 semesters straight. I ended up getting Vance, and I was nervous, primarily because I figured ENJJPT was my only ticket to a guaranteed 38. I spent weeks looking at selection rates, realizing that I was probably boned and would have to go tubes. Honestly, though, phase 1 and 2 was not that hard. If you work hard and really want a 38, you will get one, I did with really no worry. At the same time, there were people in my class that were deadset on fighters at the beginning that by the end of phase 2 had them last on their track preference. Things change, and I saw that as a good thing for 4 or 5 of the 18 AD dudes in my class. After you go 38's, you are, for assignment purposes, exactly equal to ENJJPT - they don't get preference for fighters, it's all the same drops. I ended up gettting my fighter in the end, as did 5 other dudes in my class. Also, you have to consider that your competition at ENJJPT is going to have almost only those motivated super cadets/people with 690 hours of flight time/real type-A dudes. I don't know if I would have been able to do as well as I did if I had been pitted up against them. At Non-ENJJPT bases, you have a mixture of people and a mixture of goals, which I realize now was beneficial to me in a competitive environment. Waiting for a year sucks ass. While you do get a guaranteed 38, I don't think it would be worth the extra competition with respect to assignments/delay.

Enjjpt is the best pilot training base there is. The foreign influence and independence makes it awesome. Great IPs, best city for fun. And you're not competing with classmates for your 38. Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App!