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Hi all, just an update on this with resolution. My chain quickly looked into it and came to the speedy consensus with the Med Group that there is nothing forcing me to ground test the hypnotics at this juncture. It was mentioned to me that it's possible that downrange or back at my home unit the answer may be different but for now I am fully accommodated for. I also did have a chance for a follow up conversation with the flight doc in question who was polite about the whole thing and acknowledged that this was something that hadn't really been dug too deep into in the past so I think it was a new question for a lot of folks, which is fair in my mind. Either way I'm just relieved over the original concern regarding elimination for not ground testing. Thanks again for all the input.

16-09 Drop AC-130 U (Hurlburt, FL) EC-130 NAV (Davis Monthan, AZ) MC-130J CSO (Kadena, Japan) C-130H Guard Nav (Reno, NV) U-28 CSO (Cannon, NM) E-3 Nav (Tinker, OK) 2 X F-15E (Seymour Johnson, NC) Everyone except for one person got their top choice, and he got his 4th.

Also take this as a larger lesson for the rest of your Air Force career. People will invariably tell you what's best/easiest for THEM. You will be BFM'ing shoes for the rest of your adult life.

What I think an "advanced" F-15 should look like...

If you're set on a particular airframe, find a guard or reserve unit that flies it and apply with them.

Or since it's use operationally is voluntary and there's no way to verify if you took them since you take them at home in the evening... Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk

Have you considered going guard ?

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Pardon me if I disagree with ptwob408, but those are all very good "scores". It is important to know that those numbers aren't actually scores in the traditional sense, they're percentiles; your pilot score of 90 means your test score (whatever it was...they don't tell you) in the pilot category was higher than 90% of others in the control group, 89% of those in the group that tested in the Nav category, etc. In other words, your AFOQT scores are pretty much all in the top 15% (except the last, which is near the top 25%). An average for the five of better than 87% of others in the control group...that's darn good!!. As for the PCSM, you did better than 65% of the rest of the people, and that's without many flying hours. If you were to get three more hours, the additional points would probably put you up close to the 70s...better than 70% of the others in the control group. I know people who would die for those "scores"! BTW, the PCSM points are awarded in steps, so when you get to 5 hours you'll get more, but then no more until you have 10, so for PCSM purposes, if you can't afford to get all the way to 10 you're wasting money for 6 thru 9. However, for proficiency purposes, every flight is more training. I wouldn't take the AFOQT again; your scores are great and you run the risk of having some lower scores and the 2nd test will override the first. As for the PCSM, with a 62 you probably did very well on the TBAS. I doubt if retaking the TBAS will change much...flying hours will. As long as you're in the top 40% it isn't likely that it will have much additional impact. For AD and Reserve, the test scores only count for a small percentage of the board score anyway...maybe15%, and you're already going to get most of that with the existing scores. A Guard unit may be a little different because they can make up their own decision matrix (a little like joining a country club). So, there's another 85% of the decision criteria out there based on a lot of performance, education, job experience, communication skills, previous levels of experience, interview, scores, etc. that are big players in your application. So, more hours help, but are not a magic solution to selection. The PPL is a favorable item, particularly for most Guard units I've heard about, but not a clear yes/no item either. I tracked several years worth of AD rated boards a while back and selectees with and without a PPL were about equal...split around the 48-52% range usually, although that comparison was PPL only and didn't indicate whether or not the non-PPL selects had lots of flying hours. Bottom line from my perspective: none of those numbers will hurt you at all. Focus on the rest of the selection criteria!

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