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Hmm...you say JQP only told one side of the story just to generate traffic? You say he doesn't care about the truth? . . . . SHOCKING.

What do YOU mean by "what do you mean by black jets"?

I love how leadership thinks they can actually control this in an effective manner, especially with civilians. No wonder the clubs are no longer any fun or are shut down. I have been out of the service for a while, but still don't enjoy drinking with my coworkers. It seems to only lead to trouble. You can't really control people or really save them from themselves. People who drink and drive will drink and drive. People who want to end their lives will. We tend to go full retard and go into accident/risk prevention mode on numerous issues in all service.

I wonder how many DUIs would have happened if the SPs/Cops let them go (ie...have someone get them) or drive them home...like happened back when this Colonel was a LT? Not that I'm condoning drinking and driving. Been a part of more than a few mass punishments. All it did was make the rest of us resent, and lose faith in leadership. Why the fuck am I being punished when I wasn't there, or had no knowledge of said incidents? It permanently damaged their ability to effectively lead us, and did nothing to solve the issue. There are more than a few states that ban alcohol on Guard bases. Ours was imposed by our state leadership (Army General) after a rash of ARMY guard incidents...in a different city! Until "creative measures" were taken, it SEVERLY impacted the debrief. We're on year 10ish of this alcohol ban.

This is 2008 all over again. Slamming through as many students as we can find into the 11F pipe, only to be faced with a "2-year wait" for B course and completely shutting the pipeline off for the following 3 years while we played catch up, only to create a bathtub for 11Fs during those year groups while "overmanning" the MAF by 175% and RIFing those groups 2-3 times in the last 8 years. Although this time so many guys are bailing at the 10 year point, there will be no RIF... This s#it is getting old man. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums

In court? LOL. Dude this is the military...it's called an order, and it can be a lot worse, even here stateside. Having seen several of these memos written for similar issues, this one still allows for plenty of leeway, and isn't written to "get people". As long as you aren't sending out the invite via a .mil address, you should be fine. If morale drops it speaks volumes for the CGO mafia there than it does for the leadership. Coordinate house parties and make sure people don't drink and drive. Socialize. Have fun. It's really easy. One day you will look back on these days and wonder why you spent so much time getting your panties in a wad over the most minor of inconveniences. His mission is to produce pilots for the air force, and by the sounds of it people are fucking with the mission. Your mission is to get you and your bros through UPT with a clean record. Do your job.

Good question, and this is the only reason I come to the forum: to discuss ideas and improve myself. Not for the latest gossip at an AETC base. what would I do? 1. Make the rules clear: drinking until you get an ARI is unsat. 2. Explain why the rules relate to the mission, and aren't just rules for rules sake. ARIs mean you have shitty judgement. Shitty judgement means I don't want to sign orders with you as the A code because I can't trust you. Importantly, this logic won't work with every rule. "You can't wear a reflective belt, you can't hack a combat mission" is bullshit because there's no correlation between the two. However "you can't handle your liquor or know you own limits or plan a backup plan, therefore I can't trust your mission judgement" is completely plausible. 3. Once you do those two, which most commanders already are doing, crush violators. Explain in public what happened and why you gave that punishment. Thats it. I don't think this is cosmic. The vagueness surrounding details of mass punishments dilute their utility. People need an obvious connection between what happened and the consequences. It needs to make sense. For example "To all IPs: 5 IPs got hammered at drop night and, with the full knowledge of their peers, drove home. That's unsat and drinking is curtailed in my facilities on my time until I'm given your plan to take care of each other and prevent this threat to our mission." Totally valid. But this lacks detail required to connect cause and effect and is consequently being mocked. Mass punishment is almost never a good idea. The occasions are incredibly rare. The only way it could ever achieve the intended outcome is with clarity. I need a lot of details before I'm going to buy-in to the idea that what someone else did was my fault. Sure it's possible. Prove it first.

I gotta say, very cool of the Colonel to give his approval for civilian family members permission to drink alcohol (responsibly). Didn't know they needed his permission, but what a nice gesture.

Then you don't get to speak.....dead man, missile back.

As a sensitive new age pilot (select) I'm offended and expect an apology.

Is figuring this out part of the application process? You already passed the attention to detail test.

I had that issue and when I tried manually typing in the e-mail address (rather than copying and pasting it) it seemed to work. I had done some searching to try to troubleshoot the UTF-8 error I got and someone suggested that. I haven't gotten a response yet but the e-mail didn't bounce back. Of course, when you actually submit the packet you'll need to use AMRDEC SAFE.

Well congrats on looking after your folks. This obviously isn't happening at Vance. Additionally there is only so much "harsh" punishment you can dole out to someone who just self-identified to end their career before it barely started. I agree the optics are bad on this one, but to be honest the exemptions were probably the official events people had already shelled out money to the club for kegs. This paragraph should be framed and put in the "Why other services think the USAF is a joke" museum. My community loves their beer-drinking traditions just as much as the next, but we have a pretty good track record of protecting that privilege by watching out for each other. Having fun and being responsible aren't mutually exclusive.

For a recent example, check out his "analysis" on the Thunderbird mishap...laughable.

It jumped the shark before that. TC just can't fathom that he could ever be wrong about anything. Reading his diatribes was a peak into the mind of a very special kind of narcissist.

It's your moms fault

You just wanted to use "sammiches" in a sentence.

Yerp. Wave of the future and past. 1.3 of yelling "pew pew pew" and kill removing. And, pound for pound, the greatest consumers of grilled cheese sammiches in the active duty.

Make corn and stock the beer fridge...

He's right, we do generally prefer threat reacting to raging white (or grey)

I blame the Kardashians and all their kind. And Apple. And Google. And Spacebook. And Twittergram. And Tindergrinder. Really, it's all Al Gore's fault. And Goya with his nudie paintings. Out

Fair enough. I'm not there, thankfully. However, I've endured several mass punishments and never knew exactly why, how I was supposed to make it better, what the end state was, why I was responsible, etc.

Chronic masterbation

It's the perfect storm, worse than 2010-2013, because we are running out of Instructors in all airframes, but especially fighters. Shortening the B-courses will only put more strain on the actual combat units. Amazing what driving your people into the ground for 10 years will do. I'm also seeing a large swing in guys that don't want to fly fighters. More guys are putting heavies up near the top. An unforeseen consequence of the lack of 11F presence in Phase II I would imagine as well as the ability to quickly build hours in the MAF. I also see more younger guys already building exit plans from AD. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums

From having worked for their Wing CC twice I don't think he believes in the "everyone wears a diaper" mentality. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Booze ban at work and official events for 3-5 DUIs within two months is pretty tame, but maybe I've spent too much time in Japan/Korea. I'm amused at the outrage. People really love to drink on base.

3-5 DUIs at a UPT base full of students? Want to be treated like adults? Then drink like adults.

Every time a commander does something foolish, someone comes to their defense. I understand, humans aren't one dimensional. Everyone is a combination of good and bad qualities. However, we are also responsible for our actions and this is terrible leadership. I don't care that he went to bat for your bro, he's using mass punishment while exempting his peers. Foul.

I completely disagree, in fact it shows a lack of leadership and courage if he didn't have the will to push back to "someone on high." Instead he's made it clear to ALL his people that he doesn't trust them to be responsible. Not something that subordinates respect or make them want to follow.

Sounds like there was a SAF board last week, so if your paperwork is waiting there hopefully good news filters down this week! Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums

All that time spent learning how to get ATIS by yourself...wasted.

I just retired at 20yrs and 3 days. If you run the numbers, you either have to get out at your first opportunity, at exactly 20 years, or stay in the af forever. Anywhere in between and you're losing money and opportunity. (Brs may change that calculus .... but doesn't effect me). I've said it before, but I'm nothing special (and many can vouch). I'm a viper guy with almost 3k hours. I've been hired by Sw, delta, and united and invited to interview with FedEx, aa, and a legit aviation mad scientist. And I wasn't trying all that hard. I will have my choice of employers once I wrap up my 4 months of terminal leave. Ymmv...have a plan and a backup plan...and don't undervalue your experience.

How does it end, I fell asleep at 2:11.

Dude, 2.87 GPA is pretty darn low...you are looking like a football scholarship type applicant with that on your record. Not saying it's the end of the world, but man you are making it a harder road than it needs to be. Quit messing around...anyone can get a 3.0 + in college...ESPECIALLY if you are business major..jeez man...make it a priority over beer and video games and maybe you can fly jets for cash like the rest of us...or put it off...up to you.