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Sgt. Robert Brown US Army Nobody has a "right" to serve in the Military. Nobody. What makes people think the Military is an equal opportunity employer? Very far from it. The Military uses prejudice regularly and consistently to deny citizens from joining for being too old or too young, too fat or too skinny, too tall or too short. Citizens are denied for having flat feet, or for missing or additional fingers. Poor eyesight will disqualify you, as well as bad teeth. Malnourished? Drug addiction? Bad back? Criminal history? Low IQ? Anxiety? Phobias? Hearing damage? Six arms? Hear voices in your head? Self-identify as a Unicorn? Need a special access ramp for your wheelchair? Can't run the required course in the required time? Can't do the required number of pushups? Not really a "morning person" and refuse to get out of bed before noon? All can be reasons for denial. The Military has one job. War. Anything else is a distraction and a liability. Did someone just scream "That isn't Fair"? War is VERY unfair, there are no exceptions made for being special or challenged or socially wonderful. YOU change yourself to meet Military standards. Not the other way around. I say again: You don't change the Military... you must change yourself. The Military doesn't need to accommodate anyone with special issues. The Military needs to Win Wars. If any of your personal issues are a liability that detract from readiness or lethality... Thank you for applying and good luck in future endeavors. Who's next in line?

God. I miss the days when dudes were born dudes and chicks didn't have dicks.

This is bull$hit. I mean all 7 of those people now can't join. Thanks a lot Trump.

Y'all realize that in the short-term at least this will cause a lot more bureaucracy and red tape around this issue, right? Because this was a tweet and not a fleshed-out policy released through the normal channels, no one knows what's going on. DoD was working on rules governing if they would accept transgendered recruits and had recently asked for more time to decide that, but I guess that part is decided now at least. However reading POTUS' new "policy," what do you do with people who are transgendered who are currently serving? Do we kick them out immediately? Do we just pass them over and up-or-out them eventually? Can they keep serving? Yes it's an extremely small % of the current mil population, but these are real people who woke up today and now have no idea what's going on or if they can continue serving or not. No matter who you are as a leader, that's not a good way to treat your people. So if you're just against transgendered people serving in the military for whatever reason, great, this is moving policy in your preferred direction. But if you're more agnostic to the actually issue and you're just against queep and red tape and consternation around the issue generally, I'm sorry to report that this abrupt, vague change will immediately make things worse rather than better. If you're a Commander and happen to have a transgendered troop working for you, how do you even begin to explain this new "policy" when they knock on your door?

Good luck using the Intelink search function. Completely useless, unless you're looking for an unrelated 2009 PowerPoint file that requires registration to view.

Reason #6969 why Trump won: Equating transgender struggles with those of African Americans. Independent of your personal beliefs on whether or not trannys should be allowed to serve, the comparison is a stretch. African Americans are born African American. Despite some very rare genetic disorders, transgender people are born a certain sex... XY or XX. A male can want to be a female, and vice versa, without ever making that information public or doing "gender-reassignment" surgery and therapy/meds--and no one will know. But there is no way for an African American to just forego being AA in favor of being white, or vice versa, despite Dolezal's best efforts to prove otherwise. And yes, I'm guessing the trans ban will focus on classifying being transgender as a mental health issue (i.e. gender dysphoria as RTB stated) negatively affecting one's ability to serve.

First off, it's not "my" study. That was just the first study I came across. There are plenty of other sources if you care to look. That study compiled results from 42 other studies over 19 years. So lots of data. You seem to be going out of your way to try to prove trannies don't have issues and should be able to serve. Why? They have serious mental issues, and the condition has a name in Psychiatry, Gender Dysphoria. Those issues and confusion lead to higher cases of suicide attempts. So yeah, they're more prone to suicide.

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Also, I recognize there is now a heart button. I'm working on it, had no idea this update was going to change so much of the theme.

Reputation should be back meow. Forum App still MIA.

3 things: first, every commanders job just got easier, not harder. I'm around a lot of joint GOs, their relief is palpable and so far, anecdotal only, but 100% of the feedback from their subordinates is reliefe. The Army was telling chicks they'd have to shower next to someone with a dick and if they were concerned they were bigots. For goodness sake, there was far more unease about trying to integrate these folks. Second, the initial rollout of the policy allowing trannies caused just as much "how do we do this?" It's inevitable with these socially charged issues that the full details take awhile to come out (pun intended). I understand the viewpoint of "have the full policy ready before releasing" but I'd rather just know the bosses intent now and standby on details. And by the way, no one even knew how the old policy could have been implemented without massive changes to GO1. So, confusion has been the defining characteristic of this issue since Obama forced it on the military. That show is have been a clue to leave it alone. Third, does tranny integration improve mission effectiveness? No. If you want elective surgery when you leave, fine. I'm not the morality police. Be as crazy as you want because freedom! But letting folks transition while on duty by definition takes them out of duty status. And we opened the door to "non-binary" individuals and asexuals and all manner of sexual confusion. Dude I do feel bad for fellow transsexual service members whose future in the service is now closed. On a human level, it's unfortunate for them and I'll show only kindness to any I meet. But this was not good for the mission, and that's where my loyalty is. Shack. The military didn't want this, Obama forced it. Since he ruled by fiat and decree, it can be undone with a single tweet.

https://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=80124D36-EF8B-4CBD-A75A-9C6C697CA235 From John McCain: STATEMENT BY SASC CHAIRMAN JOHN McCAIN ON TRANSGENDER AMERICANS IN THE MILITARY Washington, D.C. ­– U.S. Senator John McCain (R-AZ), Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, released the following statement today on President Trump’s tweet regarding transgender Americans in the military: “The President’s tweet this morning regarding transgender Americans in the military is yet another example of why major policy announcements should not be made via Twitter. “The statement was unclear. The Department of Defense has already decided to allow currently-serving transgender individuals to stay in the military, and many are serving honorably today. Any American who meets current medical and readiness standards should be allowed to continue serving. There is no reason to force service members who are able to fight, train, and deploy to leave the military—regardless of their gender identity. We should all be guided by the principle that any American who wants to serve our country and is able to meet the standards should have the opportunity to do so—and should be treated as the patriots they are. “The Department of Defense is currently conducting a study on the medical obligations it would incur, the impact on military readiness, and related questions associated with the accession of transgender individuals who are not currently serving in uniform and wish to join the military. I do not believe that any new policy decision is appropriate until that study is complete and thoroughly reviewed by the Secretary of Defense, our military leadership, and the Congress. “The Senate Armed Services Committee will continue to follow closely and conduct oversight on the issue of transgender individuals serving in the military.”

Well the previous administration pushed transgender policy down the departments throat despite the services medical standards experts saying this was unwise. There is evidence in the medical literature that transgender folks have a significantly higher risk of suicide over the general population. And given the suicide problems the department has and the resources devoted to suicide prevention I can not understand why the department would accept that risk.

You tell them you do not know yet, get back to work. I agree the "officially" policy should have come out as well, but he did say the Generals were on board. I do have trouble with estimates/polls/experts when we really do not know how many, as a percentage it is minuscule and the rest of of shouldn't have to wear diapers if somebody else….well, wants a period….meh, you get the idea.

I could give 2 fvcks if a tranny showed up and did the job...problem is that people are trying to join the army/marines, drop the tranny card and they are ineligible to deploy while they "transition" and then after they got free treatment, they leave. Good for Trump. Time to end the social experimentation. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums

What a ing moron. Everyone should have seen the email by now stating that all lap dances are to be booked in DTS on the initial authorization... Sent from my Vitamix 450x Professional using Tapatalk

As a former Flight Chief of 100 Crew Chiefs this has to be welcome relief to today's Officers and NCO's. With Iran ,China, NK ETC ,rattling sabers we need to be mission focused. It was bad enough when straight Amn Snuffy married a stripper and then cried in front of my desk complaining that the other 99 Crew Chiefs know what his wife looks like naked including me. Also you know for sure that POTUS is no politician. All those other guys who ran would have not had the guts to pull the trigger on this.

Just let em build up steam until tonight. It should be interesting though, everyone in the military will see who supports them today in the media.

Politics aside, why couldn't he wait until this evening to make that statement? At least then I could pour myself a glass of single-malt scotch, and flip between MSNBC and CNN in an attempt to synchronize the screeching. Now I have to imagine Rachel Maddow is somewhere having a meltdown of election night proportions. I feel deprived of quality entertainment.

While the venue may not be the best place to voice policy, the decision is wholly welcomed. If we could continue this trend and focus more solely on our purpose as warfighting organizations I imagine a significant portion of the glaring retention issues would be solved regardless of the incredible outside opportunities.

M2, could you PM me the SIPR link for baseops? I'm not sure how to get there. I just watched two phenomenal documentaries about the deep/dark web on Hulu (can't remember the title) and one about bitcoin. Very interesting stuff. From my limited understanding, the deep web is just a bunch of non-indexed sites on the regular internet requiring special software (TOR) to get to them.

My first question: what exact problem are you trying to solve? Sent from my iPad using Baseops Network Forums

Yokota always does well, but that's because it's Yokota and PACAF (vice AMC) and the base really shines. Also, they sent a handful of 08 guys there for the transition, who were more or less the top of their peers. The 08 class was always kicking ass at Yokota...i.e. "Hulk" ;)

My IPZ is in 2019 and I will hit my 19 year mark in November 2019. Is it frowned upon by leadership and a continuation board knowing you want to retire and not doing your PME at all? I don't express my retirement intentions with leadership. I keep it to myself about retiring because my viewpoint may change. But I highly doubt it will change.

Mattis at least has a track record. Goldfien got shot down by a third world country. I know which one I think has a chance of succeeding. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network Forums