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So they're interchangeable then? if the pilot doesn't show up you can just put 2 wso in the jet?

Yes it's hard to follow. The gist I get is he's a reservist who just finished becoming a load, boom, or FE. He Q3'd at his squadron and then Q3'd again during requal. His leadership gave him three options: 1. Go to the IRR and it will be swept under the rug. He didn't want to do this because he would lose out on IDT/AT pay until a unit took a gamble on him and gained him from the IRR. This could never happen because he has multiple Q3s. He also would lose out on a good year points wise for retirement. 2. He could voluntarily give up his wings and permanently DQ himself iaw 11-402. 3. FEB He elected #3 and it appears that the FEB went poorly for him and now Gen Miller or Gen Scobee has to approve the FEB recommendation (no wings probably). He's saying that the FEB process was biased and that they don't have eyewitness testimony to his Q3s which doesn't make sense to me. It seems to be the old, leadership is out to get me argument.

I don't know a single RC-135 EWO that has struggled to find a comparable salary job on the outside. Even the guys that got RIFd a few years ago. Many of these guys are just as highly trained as pilots. The training pipeline is probably longer honestly. They just don't have the airline pull. But they do have striped polo shirts, leather weave belts, velcro shoes, and cell phone holsters. So they've got that going for them.

In that case I'll alert my bank to expect an incoming wire of $3,431,764.34 very soon But do we need to financially incentivize then to stay? There is a 12S bonus, so the AF says yes. My opinion is that all bonuses should have been open to free agents from the start rather than just FY17 UFT-expiring folks, so while I'm glad they're adjusting for some bonus tiers, I'd like to see that apply across the board.

I'm looking into it. Apparently something is wrong on the Tapatalk end of things.

Not that there's anything wrong with that...

Their ability to speak fax machine is highly lucrative.

I always thought they trained the pilot and got the wso for free...

Echo what Evil said. Will add that yes, you can apply to any ANG/AFRES unit you want. Most people send apps to several units, if not every single unit. It helps to have local ties or a logical reason why you are applying at that unit, as most units have been burned by the guy who applies, gets hired, then bolts for his hometown unit 6.9 months after finishing training. Not sure that a huge amount of flight time beyond PPL is all that big a factor, at least at my unit. Soloing and having a license show aptitude. The AF can teach the rest. More important is not being a dick. The AD boards are all about scores and GPA but in my experience the ANG is much more concerned with personality and fit.

I've had it with these bullshit equivalency arguments from leadership citing how "good" we have it compared to XYZ community. Gen Rand has so many F#$% fanboys here at RND its insane, yet every time he talks this kind of bullshit those fanboys are on their knees gulping down the massive load. Gen Now land and his little meeting was only marginally better and at least by the end he seemed to be properly whipped into the correct mindset (time will tell). Before that I've heard the same kind of crap from numerous commanders when we complained about ops tempo with deployments stacked on top of TDY's, reinforced that we are "At War" as if that has any ing meaning any more after over 15 years. There is a reason I didn't join the Marines or Army, and while those patriots at Walter Reed deserve nothing but our utmost respect, they are not to be used as tools for ignoring the issues the force faces today. When I bring up leadership failings in a conversation it generally leads to a "well so and so is a good guy etc", but I feel more and more that regardless of how good a commander or leader you may be, your now culpable for this mess and arguing who the good ones versus bad ones is a waste of time. As it stands the effect is they are all bad because the outcome is shit, until any thing starts getting fix'd they are all failures in my book until proven otherwise don't care how cool they were before or are now.

NSFW pics in 3, 2...

But do we need to financially incentivize then to stay?

Ok, I'll be the dick and ask the question. I get the job that WSOs do in the Mudhen and Buff, but why the outcry for the rest of them? I know a C-130 nav who openly admits that a tight platform makes their primary job irrelevant. Is there demand for 12X outside the AF? Is this bonus anger about "fairness" or supply/demand?

Places chase approved! 4 months parole, and just under a year GI bill to reserves. approvals at all levels with letter of intent to hire. At SAF PC for 8 weeks Thanks for all the help guys!!

I've seen F16, F15E, U28, C145, every 130 variant, etc etc guys come through gunships and all have been accepted and done well. The ones who don't do well and get the cold shoulder are the ones who show up and think that because they've been somewhere else, they know everything about everything. There are massive amounts of very varied experience in the gunship community and as long as that experience is used to make the platform more lethal, instead of dick measuring, it's received as a positive. If you want first hand experience with high time 146 guys to answer whatever questions you've got, hit me up and I'll put you in touch

As with everything, "it depends". It depends on a lot of things that are entirely out of your control. If your Convening Authority is given a list of choices to offer, the CA may pass that option down to you. The CA also might not...and you would never know, since you aren't part of the communication process for the FEB or the Waiver. Some CAs may even make you accept the Waiver first before even telling you what might be in the hopper for a follow-on for you. Some might tell you beforehand what airframe they're going to recommend for you. In my opinion, there is rarely anything to be gained by not taking the waiver and going to a full-on FEB. Occasionally, when gradebooks were poorly documented and maintained, a good attorney could get a student reinstated....but more often than not guys end up at the same place they would have if they'd just accepted the waiver, months later down the road and perhaps $ thousands poorer in attorney fees.

And don't think F-15E is a possibility b/c its a crew airplane, thats just sad.

Dude, take the waiver. You washed out. It happens. Now isn't the time to be asking if you can put in a dream sheet. You failed to meet training standards and therefore have limited yourself. Here's how I see it: Option 1: You don't take the waiver and risk losing your wings or going to RPAs. Option 2: You take the waiver and probably go to AWACs. Is it really that hard of a decision?