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This little ROK/Nork artillery/rocket dual has been a wee bit mischaracterized. Getting in the weeds/more detailed info; - Yeonpyeong island is mostly forested and has a small population of civilians (1,780). The main population center (small town) is located on the southern end of the Island. These ROK civilian folks are well trained/experienced and have bunkers to take cover in when there's an attack (this was the 3rd Battle of Yeonpyeong since 1999). Also, right next to the this small town is a small ROK military base that supports six K9 155mm SP artillery pieces. These six K9 155mm SP artillery pieces are housed in hardened emplacements (right on the southern coast of the Island) and these artillery pieces/emplacements are only about a 1/4 mile (maybe less) from this small town (main civilian population center on the Island). - The Norks first salvo was at 1434 locale; They launched 150 to 170 rocket and artillery rounds. Most of the rounds fired in this first salvo were 122mm rockets (BM-21's were the launch vehicles). This was a poor choice of weapons to utilize on the first salvo if the Norks were trying to take out the ROK's K9 155mm artillery pieces/emplacements. Most of the 122mm rockets overshot the southern end of the island and landed in the drink. The 122mm rockets caused most (maybe all) of the "limited" civilian casualties and started numerous forest fires on the southern portion of the islands. - The Norks second salvo at 1512 local appeared to be more effective. They only fired 20 Artillery rounds and they all hit their target/landed on the Island. - 50% of the ROK's K9 155mm SP artillery pieces were taken out of action for various reasons. Two ROK K9 155mm artillery pieces took hits from Nork artillery rounds and were disabled due to damage to their firing control systems. One K9 155mm artillery piece was temporarily taken out of action (early in the game) due to a round jammed in its breach/barrel. Only three out of the six units (initially) were able to provide return/counterbattery fire on the Nork positions. Eventually (late in the game), the howitzer that had the jammed round joined the counterattack after receiving field repairs. - On a positive note the Norks didn't target/hit the local Chinese restaurant or Catholic Church. - The ROK K9 155mm SP artillery return/counterbattery fire total was 80 rounds. -- 35 of the ROK rounds landed in the drink (sea) while 45 others reached North Korean land. -- Shoot and Scoot; North Korean artillery/MLRS systems slid into tunnels after firing their salvos. The Norks accomplished this movement before the ROK artillery returned fire. Not a single ROK round hit a Nork target. -- Of the ROK rounds that hit the mainland, only 14 got relatively close to the North's artillery/MLRS positions. These 14 rounds impacted in rice paddies near the Norks "former positions". There was no damage to Nork artillery/MLRS systems, it appears the only damage was to the Norks food supply. -- The ROK National Intelligence Service director Won Sei-Hoon was directed to carry out a thorough investigation. -- The ROK defense minister resigned over this incident. - 122mm Rocket impact point, Yeonpyeong island; - Concrete structure in the K-9 Marine artillery base on Yeonpyeong Island bears marks from North Korea's attack; - Timeline; 08:20: North sends a message requesting a halt to the South's artillery training exercise. 10:00: South starts the artillery training exercise. 14:30: North deploys five MiG-23ML fighters from the 60th Regiment at Pukchang. 14:34: North starts firing shells (150 to170 122mm rockets, of which about 60 land on Yeonpyeong) 14:38: South conducts emergency sorties with two KF-16 fighters. 14:40: South deploys four F-15K fighters. 14:46: South conducts additional emergency sorties with two KF-16 fighters. 14:47: South fires back with the first round of K-9 howitzers (50 shells). 14:50: South issues a 'Jindogae Hana (Jindo Dog 1)' alert, the highest military alert given for a local provocation. 14:55: North stops firing temporarily. 15:12: North starts firing for the second time (20 artillery shells, all of which landed on the island). 15:25: South resumes firing back with K-9 howitzers (30 shells). 15:30: South telexes the North's military general level talk representative requesting an immediate halt to artillery shelling. 15:40 – 16:00: The South's JCS Han Min-gu and USFK Commander have a video conference (a review of cooperative crisis management). 15:41: North stops firing. 16:30: First military casualty reported. 16:35 – 21:50: Foreign and National Security representatives have a meeting. 16:42: South stops firing. 18:40: Lee Hong-gi, the South's Joint Chief of Staff Director of Operations, holds a press briefing. 19:00: North Korea's Supreme Command of the Korean People's Army releases a statement labelled "Our Army is Making No Empty Talk" publicized through KCNA. 20:35 – 21:10: South Korean President meets with his Joint Chief of Staff.

You're saying move away from a MOB where all the support, MX, and enough hotel space exists to go to the middle of nowhere to be able to launch easier? Im not saying this is a bad COA - it was certainly looked at during planning. We should just go to Alpina and call it good, like in the old days. There ain't shit there. You guys would love that. Throw in some MOPP4 time and its just like 2005 all over again - we could even change the name back to MOBEX... (HEAVY SARCASM) Chuck

I was in a test squadron for 2.5 years, then OGV attached to the same squadron for another year, prior to being an instructor. But I had some pretty crappy leadership who didn't take care of folks with strats and awards during that time, so I probably would have been better off in the schoolhouse! And I was one of the first two AC-130J CSOs, so how much sexier can I get?!

Well considering my first reply about it was in reference to 12X promotion rates, pretty sure it was implied!

Below average IQ and brass balls, I imagine.

Ditto. Thinking a bit on this, SK and POTUS should be as insistent as the Young General and demand removal of all or most of the artillery concentration just north of the DMZ. The DPRK demands the cessation of large scale military activities between the ROK and US forces, ok fine, then you remove every last artillery piece from within 50 nm of the DMZ. Fat chance but it if they want something we get something in return. We focus on the WMD and that's logical but the conventional situation deserves some time on the front burner. - No artillery within 50 nm of the DMZ. - Declaration and decommission of all clandestine tunnels under and thru the DMZ - No formations of troops or vehicles greater than 2,000 and associated vehicles / equipment (brigade size) within 50 nm of the DMZ. No more than 3 at any one time within 50 nm. Just some ideas off the cuff but the point would be to move forces further back so that if the DPRK did or was planning aggression, then the telegraphing actions prior to attack would be more detectable and would lower tension overall. Focusing on WMDs is fine just don't forget about what they have actually used (recently in fact) to attack the ROK and US forces.

Latest computer modeling of NK vs USA/ROK in full-scale conventional war:

You take advice from retards often?