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Agree, it’s a trainer, not much care about sustained turn rate. Rvsm rules took away a lot of high alt options anyhow. I felt much better stretching fuel with decent avionics that had divert bases/profiles at the push of a button. As for pmp...I flew c models without it and with it, no huge problem either way. And for student training, the tones and cues were a huge step up. Being a purist is great. Hell, I dropped bdu-33’s from at-38’s using Stby pipper, cool to say I did...zero relevance in 2018.

Yep, the dems are off their f-ing rockers. I met up with a very liberal but sane family member who was touring around Europe with her ultra-lib husband and two ultra lib couples. She had warned me not to talk politics because how much they all hated trump. Fine by me. We sit down at dinner in a nice European restaurant and within five minutes one of wives was talking about Trump and Russians because a Vodka based drink triggered her. I kid you not, wacky. Out of the blue, “that sounds like a drink Trump and his best friend Putin would order.” All dinner she kept up comments. Wasn’t sure if she was trying to get me into an argument or what but I never caved. Finally the conversation turned to subjects like their bead art and all their issues with their adult unemployed divorced kids trying to move back home. Dems....

If everyone but you has missed the point, I think a different point has been made that you’re missing.

C model T-38 got heavier, and the CG shifted forward due to all the equipment added to the nose. From a handling perspective, this reduced instantaneous and sustained turn rate and overall nose authority. While the PMP engines improved the TOLD a bit, they also increased form drag, fuel consumption, and noise. Today the jet is even more fuel constrained than before, can’t fly nearly as high, and has far more garbage in the cockpit to keep you heads down rather than appropriately focused on the art of aviating. I’m with Huggy. From a purist’s perspective, it’s the “A”.

Well, I’m not cool enough to know where my secret local organic free-trade hipster hardware store is. Luckily I noticed today that Amex has a special offer on Home Depot gift cards through June: $100 for 8k points. HD is usually 10k points, which is pretty good already; most of their other $100 cards run 14-20k points. Combine that with the military discount and/or the Memorial Day sale and you might walk away with some good stuff. That is, of course, if your dignity can take the hit!

FWIW one of the c-17 crossflow guys was DG at IFF.

Still not Hillary, and that matters, a lot.

Honestly I think this Russian collusion/conspiracy thing has been beat to death, on both sides. It has been one of the biggest distractions from the real issues thanks to politics from both sides. The public has neither the patience nor interest anymore, unless you can’t go a day without posting on Facebook how evil Trump is. Also, the more people try to perpetuate distractions such as Stormy Daniels (good lord who the f cares?) or Russia they are just guaranteeing Trump’s re-election. Honestly, at this point, thank god.

Disagree.

A-model vs C-model is a false choice. The correct answer is the A-model with an extra radio and ForeFlight! But seriously, a little TOLD help would be nice.

Maybe I’m not a purist... but i thought the C model trained just fine. Unsure why a trainer needs the aforementioned, its not exactly going to combat. If PMP/C-model increased safety and reliability, worth it... because that’s all that matters for initial training.

Good for him! Although It probably helped that he spent the last 3 years mastering the T-38, while his IFF classmates had just finished UPT. Regardless, it shows that MAF to CAF can be successful. Hopefully he continues to excel in the B course.

I'd take the new one as well, flew both. Sequenced? As in Huggy's Friday night "going out" shirt? No, its either seat can punch out both seats

Interesting view. For an USAF pilot, the straight replacement cost of training is in the multi-million dollar range, even disregarding the morality of trying to protect our people when the tech is readily available. I'm going to disagree with you on this one.

Semantics, but it was actually the C-17 guy that was coming from a white jet tour. The 135 guy did a requal in 38s at Randolph, then IFF. Great dude.

I looked through the links, and again no evidence...all just conjecture and very weak linking two things together to make a straw man argument. The level of mental gymnastics you need to actually believe they were used to take down Trump is astounding. Why wouldn't Obama just tell the FBI to kill the email investigation earlier? Why not tell them to hold reopening it until after the elections? Why not publically bring up Russian contacts and meddling prior to the election? Why would the FBI privately warn the Trump campaign of possible Russian meddling? Why would Obama warn Trump against hiring Flynn? Sabotage doesn't make any sense no matter which direction you look at it. If they wanted to sabotage Trump they could have a million ways, but they didn't. The administration kept quiet and now we are finding Russians behind every rock despite repeated denials the campaign had ANY involvement with Russians. You are right...things are starting to stink. I honestly hope government entities are used to root out any foreign tampering in our elections regardless of party. Particularly when there are suggestions of nefarious intent. You can stick your head in the sand all you'd like, but ultimately there has been no evidence presented that suggests illegal activity on the government's behalf, and they have uncovered intentional illegal activity. Even the republicans who were shown the information behind closed doors quickly walked away from the "spygate" charges.

Geez drewpey, you must have missed all the links to news articles. Like brick says, if all this is just nonsense then you’ll have no trouble during the 2020 campaign when the intel apparatus is used to spy on the democrat nominee. It’s interesting to me that former high level intel folks are now at mainstream media outlets where they can shape the coverage of their misdeeds. The whole thing stinks and if you don’t think it does I’ve got a bridge I’d like to sell you.

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