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With all due respect, go fuck yourself. It wasn't a loophole, it was part of the AFI. "The deal" was 3 years... not to exceed your UPT or UCT commitment. There is nothing disingenuous about it. Had Big Blue wanted "the deal" to be a full 3 year payback, they would have done that. This year they decided that was what they wanted and they made the change. You have no moral authority to shit on people who volunteered for those programs under the earlier set of rules. That'd be like shitting on the last set of pilots who only got tagged with 6 or 8 year ADSCs (or whatever it used to be) for not staying for 10 voluntarily.

I'm a little late replying to the original poster, but as a reservist (ANG and AFR) who is now collecting an active duty ("Regular") retirement and wasn't an AGR, I can shed some light on the process. It takes 7305 total active duty points to qualify for an active duty retirement. As such, at some point many years ago, I made it a point to take every day of active duty whenever possible, including MPA, RPA, ADSW, and some AGR tours. All of that counted towards my 20 years (including 4 years of active duty in the Army) as well as my time in UNT. I went over 20 years of active duty while on a long-term MPA tour while assigned as an AFRC Traditional Reservist. The hard part was the sanctuary waivers as you're required to have one for each tour when you exceed 16 years (I know sanctuary doesn't kick-in until 18, but AFRC wants them when over 16 years). Also problematic was 1095, which required a waiver and makes it difficult to do tour over 3 years. There are ways to get around 1095, but it's difficult. Once I exceeded the 20 years and ended my MPA tour, I went to being a traditional reservist again, and had to stay a few months longer to meet the timeline to transfer my GI Bill to my kids (I missed that in 2013 b/c I was in a "No pay, no points" situation for a bogus medical reason). In any event, I applied for an active duty retirement through vPCGR (or whatever it's called now) and retired late in 2017. In addition to having about 20 years and 6 months of actual "active duty" points, I was credited with another 25 months of service for my guard and reserve time (and any correspondence courses). It's called "1405 time" and I believe it references the section of law or the CFR that allows those non-AD points to be computed into your active duty retirement. So, in the end of it, I did about 30 years of total service, with 20 years 10 months of actual active duty and had another 800ish points added to that total to come up with my multiplier based on a total as if I had served for 23 years and 6 months on active duty (~58.75% or something close to that of my high 3). I did lose some of my guard and reserve points for the years in which i did a lot of active duty (i.e. I was an AGR for 3 years, so couldn't use those 45 membership points earned during those three years in which i was an AGR for the full 365 days). Also, all active duty retirements are based on a full month of service, meaning, I lost about another 22 points, b/c my total was something like 23 years, 6 months and 22 days of service. Needed to do another 8 points (active or reserve points) to get credit for another month and a higher multiplier (not much -- 0.21%). Also, my "high 3" was based on my last 3 years in the reserves, and NOT the last 3 years I was on active duty. If that had been the case my high 3 would've been based on the pay for 2015, 2016 and 2017 as that's when i was on active duty. I remained a traditional reservist for almost 7 months in 2017 and didn't do much if any active duty then. I was told my high 3 would be based on when I actually performed AD, but instead, it was computed using the 9 months I was in the reserves in 2017 (of which 7 were NOT on active duty) and then all of 2016, 2015 and 5 months from 2014. The point to this is, even if you can't get the AD retirement right away, don't think they're going to go back and use your AD from 3 or 4 years ago to compute your retirement. One last thing: I'm a GS employee with a non-DoD agency and I'd bought back 13 years of active service when i got hired in 2008. Once I retired my agency contacted me to tell me they were going to refund my deposit, b/c you cannot use the time twice if you're collecting an active duty retirement. Just keep that in mind if you're an Technician or ART. Without a doubt the AD retirement is much better than buying back the time (in my case), particularly with TRICARE. I don't plan on staying too long at my federal job, and having health insurance is a HUGE benefit in allowing me to do what I want going forward (and you only get it with the Fed Gov't as a civilian if you take an "immediate annuity" which can significantly reduce your pension depending on your age). Hope that helps -- it was a confusing process and there's a lot of misinformation out there.

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Fellow Air National Guard Hopefuls who are of the elderly variety.... Attached is the newest NGB ETP Checklist. I couldnt upload the fill-able form, but this will allow you to see that the ETP checklist has been drastically cut back from the previous. My last conversation with my recruiter indicated that NGB has changed their accessions process and now requires ETPs to be complete before swearing in just like the reserves. They also indicated that Age Waivers are now to only take 30 Days as opposed to 6+ months. I received this information early September and my packet was pushed up at the end of the second week of September. I was told that my packet is now on the CC and CF desk and should be approved this week. Fingers crossed! Hope this helps! NGB ETP Checklist.pdf edit: ETP signed off today! (34 days in new policy)

MJ says she is running because her opponent is a poopoo head. Which is sorta true, but she won’t admit she has stood in a brace in front of Nancy Pelosi’s desk promising to work night and day to raise taxes, open the borders, and above all stop at nothing to destroy that bad Orange Man by any means necessary.

Fysa my additional ADSC for white jets has been removed on MyPers. Showing only UPT ADSC

We IPs in the MAF are getting tired of this. Whether a shitty copilot who shouldn’t have made it through UPT is babysat by an experienced AC/IP or not..he/she is still a safety hazard and a liability. Yes, some are coachable but some do not belong anywhere near an airplane.

Don’t fall for that penis enlargement ointment trick, it’s another Deep State false flag plot. Just lookup Anaconda Malt Liquor if you need proof.

Great summary and checks with what we told the past few days by HRO during a class. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app

Just a wild, wild, guess on my part. Heck, it's hard to predict what President Trump will do in the next 24 hours. That being said, I've always believed the first female President would be a Republican and for me, Nikki fits the bill perfectly. I would advise the progressives to start stocking up on the these items now, because if Nikki or another Republican female wins in 2020 they will be flying off the shelves;

If you qualify for both GI Bills, you can use a total of 48 months. But, what I've been told is that you have to exhaust the MGIB first, all 36 months of it down to the last day of benefit. Once you do that, then you can utilize 12 months of the Post 9/11 GI Bill. If you switch between them prior to exhausting the MGIB, you will only get 36 total months of benefit, so even if you use 12 months of MGIB, you will then only get 24 months of the Post 9/11. It's due to some caveat/loophole in the Post 9/11 GI Bill, and I believe it carries over to your situation with the transfer as well; meaning as long as no one uses the Post 9/11, you can use all of the MGIB first and get 12 more months on the other. I'd definitely check with the VA before ops checking it. With the much greater value of the Post 9/11 version compared to MGIB, it only seems worth it in unique circumstances.

No coincidence that it happened right after Corona and following LtGen Grosso’s departure from A1... Hopefully the uptick continues. Chuck

Let’s be honest, there’s no plan.

Flying an ALR extreme mission at least comes with a clear intent and a sense of satisfaction.

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I just planted a pear, curious to see how this turns out. If it somehow Jack’s magic beans turns into a functioning copilot I’m gonna write the CSAF with a solution to our pilot production problem.

Meanwhile out back of CVS base ops...

You might be the “best” person in the world, but if you support murdering babies in the womb and allowing anyone and everyone to pour over our southern border and be welcomed with open arms, I could never vote for you. It says something about your morals. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Well Gents, it’s been fun but Duck is now a twice passed over Captain on his way out the door. I appreciate all of you who reached out and offered me advice throughout the years. I know that I will have a ton of questions going forward as I transition to the next step. This community is awesome and I love (most of) you guys.

I don't know a single RC-135 EWO that has struggled to find a comparable salary job on the outside. Even the guys that got RIFd a few years ago. Many of these guys are just as highly trained as pilots. The training pipeline is probably longer honestly. They just don't have the airline pull. But they do have striped polo shirts, leather weave belts, velcro shoes, and cell phone holsters. So they've got that going for them.

@admdelta @Hopefulflyer389 I'll be there both days arriving around 12-1pm on Saturday.

TPS always had the 3 year ADSC. However there was a loophole that was getting exploited more and more recently where guys were punching less than a year after graduating. That caught the eye of AFMC/A3 and was one of the instigators in the AFI change to get rid of the loophole. IMHO, 3 years is nothing to pay back for what you get at TPS, and every single person who applied knew that was the deal, and it was completely disingenuous of them to pull the loophole card to take their patch/degree and run. I know some had some legitimate family issues that came up, but there’s other ways to deal with that. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk