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Only one warning from your post... if it flys, floats or fornicates it’s cheaper to rent than own. I’ve ops tested 2 of the 3 and I’ve found this principle to hold true. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app

This is actually more what I would have imagined. The experience I had with O-6s was that they were resentful of the younger crowd for wanting better retention measures. That's not to say they were malicious about it (some were), but even the "great dudes" would push back some in a conversation about why the AF isn't doing enough to keep talent. I suspect that sentiment goes all the way to the top. Think about it, these are the guys who made it through the air force that was firing people every three years. There was never anybody higher ranking than them who asked what it would take to keep them in. In fact, if they left, it was in line with the Air Force's future manning projections. They basically lived through the hunger games to make it to the top. Now all of a sudden, when they're finally in the position of power they worked oh so hard for, they're told they need to come up with ways to keep a bunch of millennial captains and majors happy, when not a damn person cared about their happiness. I get why they aren't thrilled with the idea. But that doesn't change the necessity of it.

If you’re rated, pass you PHA and still look ok in uniform, you’re good. Questions?

Maybe we should use doctors to identify health risks. Roll the body comp into the pha and use medical solutions for medical problems. If you absolutely must use nonmedical fitness testers for a ‘health’ assessment, mitigate with an inbody scanner for visceral fat level, not a meaningless tape measure. If I we’re king for a day, I’d make it simple, functional, and occupationally relevant. 4 part test, no gender bias. No universal. ‘passing score.’ Minimums are based on AFSC with potential different standards for accession and for retention. Retention decisions are completely commander’s business. 1. Squat - 75% body weight - max reps in 5 minutes - 25 reps max - 1 point per rep 2. Overhead press - 33% body weight - max reps in 5 minutes - 25 reps max - 1 point per rep 3. Deadlift - body weight - max reps in 5 minutes - 25 reps max - 1 point per rep 4. 20m shuttle run - max 20m lengths in 5 minutes - 25 reps max - 1 point per length

You've just now lost faith? Welcome to the club brosef! 7-8 years ago we had one of these staff lifers show up and be our OG. Dude made numerous bizarro changes, including making a few of us interview for the jobs we were already in. Then he informed me that it was no longer an AGR spot but GS-12 Step 1 (massive paycut for me). That's when my faith went sub-zero and I blasted to the regionals. In the end, this was the best thing that ever happened to me. I think that's what got me on so early at Delta, which allowed me to quickly get to be a WB FO. I've worked 2.5 days (sim training) this month and I'm 99% sure I won't actually step foot in a Delta cockpit this month. The staff has a way of creating lifers who rarely step foot outside of Arlington/Crystal city. Slides are green, it must all be good! Never mind the handful of fighter squadrons that can't keep 20 pilots on the LOXs and have to work their peoples balls off to make the mission happen. I'm sure the squadron that only has 17 pilots, and is about to lose 4-5 more, will be just fine! BTW, the head of the OG council just finished IOE at his Legacy airline...nothing to see here!

If only there were a 600 year old, well developed, universally respected [sans the military] field of study that could neutralize emotion and very accurately spit out a number (that would look a lot like the RAND study number) to change behavior in a group. Economics in the military: “yeah, yeah... but the value of quality of service is up to you. If it isn’t valuable enough to change your mind, you’re not patriotic enough.” Economic behavior is a natural force. Keep trying to defy gravity, big blue. Your experience will watch the show from our new boats.

The suggestion to put fitness under med group is comprehensive. The FAC, trainers and gym all go. You take your test like normal but your score is confidential and reported as part of your medical record during your PHA. Then a physician, accounting for ALL of your health inputs, family history, past issues, etc, makes a determination whether to refer you to more training or not. In other words your flight doc can no shit refer you to the fat camp just like he can refer you to a cardiologist. Separate your job from anything to do with the PT test. This is the biggest myth. PT test is solely about healthcare cost reduction. That is the only thing that dictates service members be tested. Squats, deadlift and overhead press based off bodyweight are smart because they test your overall muscular and skeletal health which has been shown to be far more important than your cardiovasicilar capacity at long term health. Simply put, you should test a pushing movement, a pulling movement, and a complete range of motion of the leg chain. The current test only test one of those things and in a suboptimal manner.

Heard back on the 17th.

Keep the current test in place; eliminate the “minimum passing standards” for each event. All that matters is if you get above a 75. Unfortunately the fear among the generals is seeing a bunch of fats kids in their uniform, so therein lies the purpose of the waist measurement. There are multiple ways to skin the cat, and it all depends on what you think is the best way to achieve fitness; i.e. Running, weight training, or HIIT.

I like what you are getting at because at the end of the day people will practice on what they test so. The fact that a squat movement isn't included in a PT test is atrocious. Because the muscular compositions of 3/4 of your body massage is apparently not important? But yeah there are a ton of people in the AF that for whatever reason think running is the bee's knees of exercise and when you look at an Olympic marathon runner vs any other athlete, the latter is clearly equipped with a better physique to carry them into old age.

I guess desperate times call for... increasing UPT throughput to 1500+ and funding diversity measures to access untapped recruiting pools. Don’t worry folks. Pilot shortage will be solved by 2023. You are expendable once again. Now move along.

Funny you say that. I advocated once that the entire fitness center, hawc, fac, should me moved under and managed by the medical group, not the FSS. I also think the only thing that should be tested is body fat composition. The dude in the video sounds like a douche canoe. And he is using 40 year old science. The vast majority of literature today concludes a strength based workout is more important than heavy cardio to maintaining a healthy lifestyle.

As someone who dreads every test...I hate this part most of all. "Welcome back from Thanksgiving leave... You have a PT test on Monday". "Christmas is on Monday this year, family day is Tuesday... You test on Wednesday" No thank you.

Non-concur. I was a P on my major PRF, no SOS DG (or any DG), not a school select off my O-4 board and in my third look for school I got selected for CGSC and heading to my 1BPZ O-5 board with a DP. The first change CSAF made for IDE selection directly helped me by elimating school selects off the O-4 board and broadening the candidate pool (not sure about this recent DA change though). Of course, there are still made guys who are on the way to multiple BPZ promotions, command and in-res school programs...but I'd like to think this track starts around year 12 or 13 now instead of year 7 or 8. I'd also like to think its highly possible, if not highly probable, that a lot of those made guys are actually really solid....of course a few douche canoes get through....would be the case in any system in any org.

I would advise against the misconception that i had when i joined which was that AD got to "see more action" than the reserve. Unless you define action as the combative word gymnastics you use to spar with against the MPF airman holding your PCS orders. Yeah i got at least 3 air medals worth of that bull shit.