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The hawg community demands high standards, and is laid back as long as you attempt to better yourself and achieve those standards. You aren’t always expected to meet them, but you are expected to put in the effort. If you don’t you won’t be having a pleasant experience. Incompetence gets people killed and is treated harshly. Sometimes people need disciplining. That isn’t habitual yelling or power tripping, nor is it toxic. It’s typically not needed. It doesn’t go straight to that point, there’s a progression that starts as a friendly checking up on them, but it can be an effective tool if needed. I have had my fair share of being an idiot and having a not so pleasant experience with the DO, or my flight lead. That’s part of learning. I would rather deal with the tough love than be in a command that threatens careers and throws around paper work like it’s their job, I’ve experienced that as well. I’m sure you’ve never yelled at your children before. Also, I don’t know her and haven’t interacted with her, but yelling doesn’t inherently make something, the oh so common buzz word, “toxic.” This shit is killing the Air Force. We’re an organization who’s sole purpose is killing. Cursing, drinking, and yelling, isn’t okay nowadays but sending 18 year olds into a “war” that started before they were born with no goal is.

You're a functional at AFPC? Cool--what branch?

You must not be a hawg driver, because I’ve never seen a hawg driver act like the ass you are condoning. Selectively raising your voice to get your point across on certain occasions can be effective, but that is different than habitual “yelling,” which if you’ve spent any time around other Services you’d know is not extremely common. It’s also just as effective in other Services (I.e. not). It really just makes you look like an ass and frankly it’s a failure to adult. People don’t like talking to asses. That’s why they call it toxic. It’s not good for the mission if people don’t want to communicate with their leaders because they are asses. If you were a pilot you’d know that being an ass doesn’t work well in a plane, in combat, or anywhere else for that matter. Training can tolerate some selective yelling because inducing a stress response can be beneficial when you want to help a person learn. Even in combat, a well-placed intentional yell may bring someone back to where they need to be. However, people can usually tell the difference between someone yelling to help them or the situation versus someone yelling because they’re a power-tripping overcompensating toxic ass.

she was over the top... Even in the cockpit, no one could do things correct "enough" for her. Consistently tearing people apart who were trying to help her/the msn succeed... It wasn't just a periodic thing when someone slipped up, it was all the freaking time. If someone is consistently doing things wrong you either find ways to help them do it right or you find ways to get them out of that job... Problem was she couldn't get rid of everyone. Years of mental abuse from leaders like her, who only know 1 way to lead, is precisely why we can't keep good people. Good riddance, 20 years too late. Stop promoting these people.

Except for a few solid posts, this reads like if we did PME by correspondence via the YouTube comments section.

I thought we didn't like toxic leaders on this board? Surely you can't all think that screaming at each other over the phone, and calling your peers idiots behind their back is how business gets done.. It seems to me she was already under multiple IG investigations and her throwing a temper tantrum was just the final straw. I honestly question your judgement if you perceive the people you work with to be so stupid, relative to yourself, that you have no other option than to yell at them. I've never had any contact with her though so if she was legitimately a good leader please let me know.

1. Mentor them with the experiences and skills you have acquired through life and career. 2. Recognize their goals and help them visualize how they can achieve said goals. 3. Don’t sleep with them. Seems pretty standard with leading all individuals, yet keep hanging on to that non rated mantra that dealing with enlisted is some kind of enigma us pilots will never understand. People are people, except for you, you seem like a real douchebag.

Cheers, my friends;

Got to do a pretty cool thing in March. Flew the first flight of a four leg journey for a retiring military working dog through Pilots n Paws. His former handler adopted him, but the dog was in ND (two minutes from my office incidentally) and the family lives in Missouri. Had to wait two months for a break in the shitty winter weather, but it was very special to help an AF dog and his former AF handler reunite. If you want to find a mission or purpose for your recreational flying, Pilots n Paws is a great one to get into.

Haha, I've been yelled at in a debrief... a simulator debrief! I never forgot to check the Master Arm in the hot position when I called "in" after that though.

Respectfully, no. Low SA on her part to not recognize her current operating environment and honoring the potential threats. Working with civilians whether GS or not, IS different than a pure uniform environment. Plus, for DoD, many of those GS' were former military and A) realize they aren't powerless if someone gets out of control and B) are wily enough to know how to do strike back, whether it's running to mommy IG/Congresscritter, etc., or engaging the infamous 8-point slow roll until said 'leader' is gone. So perhaps I negated my own argument. But there is a better way to lead/manage civilians than the brute force method. No sympathy for this fired officer.

Are you sure it wasn’t a “periodic” thing...... oh, wait..... I guess you meant occasional. I was thinking something else 🙄

I'm going to bring this thread back, lets keep posting pictures and videos. Here is some loose formation cruising in the middle of nowhere with a buddy.

If yelling at people is enough to get removed, the pilot retention crisis is about to get a lot worse.

Huggy. I've spent the last 7.5 years deliberating and waiting for life to slow down so I can build my RV-7. I waited so long that eventually the -14 was introduced and I was quickly sold on it. When my profit sharing check showed up a couple of months ago, my wife told me to buy the dam tail kit already (she's a keeper!); guess she got tired of my constant yapping about it. I went to the Vans factory last month as well and got the full tour and RV-14A flight. Having flown in -6, -7, -8, and now the -14, I have a decent ability to compare them. Of course, I am now building the -14 so I am a little biased. The best way to think about the -14 is "2 seat RV-10 capable of gentlemans aero, and builds more like a -12." It is by far the best to sit in for room/comfort and has great visibility with the lowered longerons (-8 would be close). It's very light and nimble but also very well balanced. The -10 airfoil used was a great choice (just shorter span) for cross country or IFR. Also, the usable load is insane. You can almost always take full fuel and load- literally two hop across the country if you can sit for that long. Usable load for aero is great as well, especially compared to -6/-4. It's a hot rod like any RV. The throaty -390 lifts the -14 off the ground as fast as you can gently apply full power. I swear within seconds of leveling off at 2500 we were already doing 150+. My plan is to fly with Mrs. Wonderful Wifey all over the country and then beyond. She would absolutely appreciate the difference between the -7 and -14A. I also want to be able to introduce people to basic aero (loops, rolls, Cuban-8's, etc). If you're thinking about the -14 you will not be disappointed. The quality of the kit components and instructions are incredible. My hold up will be waiting for money as opposed to time. As my project gets underway, you're more than welcome to come visit. I'm up the road in Truckee. Cheers! (Pic of -14 and -14A)

to my fellow Army guard bums: Is anybody having issues with ARB approval at the NGB level. The recruiter I am working with told me they changed the process and its taking longer than expected push applications thru. So far my timeline: AFOQT & TBAS: JUL 17 Interview: MAY 18 Hired: JUNE 18 FC1 Complete: AUG 18 DD368 Approved: DEC 18 ARB packet submitted to NGB: DEC 18 ARB packet rejected due to expired DD368: MAR 18 ARB packet submitted with DD368 Extension: APR 18 ARB approval so that I can swear in the AF:________??? All I hear from squadron leadership and my recruiter is that NGB's new system for bringing a bastard from other branch like myself is Broken. Is there light at the end of the tunnel? I sure hope so. My current Chinook unit already has a NOS for late FY21. I've had enough of Afghanistan. Can a guy just get a pickle suit and a comfortable hotel room in Germany to finally feel like a real pilot?

To be fair the Air Force does a poor job of getting rated officers ready to command anything with a large amount of enlisted. If a single seater the only time you deal with them is on the flight line mx, debrief, intel, and medical. Its not until your a O5 do you have to deal with a knucklehead standing tall giving you a reporting statement at your desk. If you have a good First shirt he helps keep stupid stuff off your desk. In the middle part of my career I was in the 89th at Andrews, there were nothing but NCO's and it was easy going. Then I went to KC-135 mx unit with young Airmen , it was a slap in the face having young shitheads right out high school to stop acting like they were in still in high school .

I did a full DITY a few months ago. I didn’t notice anything “tightened down” from the other partial ditys ive done in the past. Just needed weight tickets and receipts. I know you said you aren’t looking to make money but you could probably pocket 5-8 grand doing it yourself. I know several people that pack up the small stuff/boxes themselves and hire people to load the boxes/furniture in a rental truck. I think my last neighbor had 13,000 lbs, I believe the hired help was about $700 to load and $800 to unload. I had 12,000lbs, 26ft UHUAL was $1600 for 1200 miles, $400 ish in gas. Bought a one way plane ticket back to drive my truck with trailer/motorcycle. Total I spent about $4500 on rentals, gas, boxes, plane ticket etc, got reimbursed something like $8000 +DLA/per diem and all that. It was a pain in the ass but was a nice influx of cash. Oh and nothing got broke/damaged/lost and I didn’t have to wait 2 weeks to get my shit delivered.

Another fish hooked. Troll game is pretty good Shazam

As a motorcycle rider/roadracer, I'll chime in here. I think Shazaam's example was appropriate. A lot of us can forget what it's like dealing with 17-18 year olds when we are senior CGOs/FGOs. Some of these guys have never left the tiny town they grew up with, and get their first taste of money/speed by spending $3k on a vehicle that can go zero to 60 in under three seconds. Furthermore, recent motorcycle suspension is so good that going 30 feels like 20, 75 feels like 40 and 110 feels like 65. And that's at 30% throttle and 6th gear. I did something extremely stupid on my sportbike years ago and I'll remember it for the rest of my life... I could be dead right now, and that phone call could have been for me. So yeah, if it takes explaining to a 18 yr old what that phone call would be like, and he is naive enough that it makes him cry, so be it. I've also counseled a 25 yr old guard guy caught by leadership, he had been riding all his life, and that conversation was more like "bro, lets go to the track." But like a UPT debrief, if a byproduct of what I'm saying leads to a few tears (hooking a checkride, etc) then I'm glad my point is getting through. Different strokes for different folks. I am surprised I'm alive after the incident above, and it's one of the reasons I strictly ride at the race track now.

It’s taking everything I have to not make a joke about a woman yelling at people for not being “correct enough” for her. But I’ve evolved.

Everyone likes cockpit pics. RV-4 I owned pre EFIS's and RV-8. As you can see I like simplicity. No desire to fly SE IFR.

The movie is a classic that you should have already seen. Same goes for Dr Strangelove.

Better than most of us.

They arent RV’s but beats the hell out of bending wrenches for a living. Firm believer all it takes is a good mission/purpose and all pilots would get back into GA (usually involves convincing a student/pilot to plan a X/C to a casino and they are hooked)

I’ve almost made this same post a few times but have held back. I just realized today he viewed my profile and went back to find all my old posts in order to down vote them, lol. All 15 of my down votes are him, which must have taken days. Definitely something up with him.

That’s known as “status quo” when dealing with TACC.

Never would have thought there were this many RV owners on the forum. I feel like we should start a thread dedicated to posting pictures of GA flying.

The 0-6 acting air boss (C-5 Wing queen) at JFE for the WIC...first thing she mentions to the soon to be WIC grads is how she doesn’t like the grooming standards (referring to the moustsches). No wonder the CAF doesn’t think highly of the MAF.

https://lmgtfy.com/?iie=1&q=undergraduate+pilot+training Has to be a troll or honestly ya ain't gonna make it in pilot training if you have zero idea how to google something. You managed to find this forum so I mean you're not completely illiterate but FFS, search around, learn the basics (you need a 4-year undergraduate degree from an accredited university, you need to get commissioned, you need to apply for an earn a pilot slot, you need to complete UPT, etc.). Most of that info can be found using the good ole' internet using a some simple search terms in google. Good luck and god speed, I think you're gonna need it!

My buddy I and just got hired at Beale (tankers) and were looking at going 50/50 on a PA-20 Pacer with fat tires. Trent Palmer is up in Reno, and Kevin Quinn does his HSF thing up at Dead Cow every year. Pseudo bush flying sounds like an awesome time.

So making someone cry from using emotional intelligence is different from yelling how? If you can break someone using emotional intelligence or yelling the net result is the same. You are using a tactic to elicit a change of behavior. No one method is better than the other. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Apples and oranges. Your argument would mean that there are currently no combat leaders flying aircraft in the entire Air Force, and I would disagree. There isn't as much of a problem with helo pilots bailing out of the Army because there are a lot less helo jobs out in the world to entice them. There is also some validity to the AC being an officer, especially on the mobility side, and having some authority to protect his crew and mission. I would assume this also applies to the CAF side but I'm not as familiar with it. The main argument against enlisted flyers right now is that they will bail for the airlines in higher number than Os because the pay gap will be even higher. The problem as stated many times before is not that we don't have enough people that want to be pilots, its just that we aren't making them fast enough, and we can't keep them in. Making enlisted or warrant pilots does absolutely nothing to fix that problem. It just gets some people some headlines, makes it look like options are being looked at, and in my opinion is pushed to show enlisted can do it just as well as Os. Probably true, but it doesn't matter it only exacerbates the problem. My question is why would you not want to become an officer if everyone else is?

Could you please explain. I understand the familiarizing yourself part with the search engine, but the googling part is what I am having a hard time with.

Yeah I can actually kind of see why you said that lol. On a lighter note I just didn't know what terms he was talking about. But I have done that research no doubt and I have been looking as schools for flight training and degrees in that area. Do you have any advice as to which flight school to go to? What degree did you get? Thank you for all the info and Gods speed to you too fellow American!

Why would I not just sign a 3 year bonus and then sign another bonus in 3 years when it has possibly gone up? Is there something I’m missing?

So now you can get a second bonus?

My grandpa was one that had 12,500 hours in 20+ types in the Air Force over 30 years. He retired and never flew again.

Sigh....

How old are you? You do realize our Airmen aren't pilots and most of their jobs consist of staying inside the wire right? Unless said 18 year is in a highly specialized AFSC or is aircrew, they stay inside the wire and still receive holidays off as we launch combat sorties. Let me stop by Finance on Thanksgiving at Bagram. Oh wait, it's closed in combat? Thanks AF, I'll just login to MyPay from the WiFi signal in my B-hut. Aren't you the same guy who walked into the squadron sobbing because the Xfinity cable guy was making unannounced visits to your crib? I was told there was definitely some bedroom disruption of service going on, but it wasn't remotely cable related.

I think that was in 2017. I signed up for a 2 year bonus that year. It felt good almost being a free agent this year.

What freaking squadron are you in where people run around yelling? It serves no purpose at all. I didn't need to yell in order to get a back ender to stop driving his motorcycle like Maverick from Top Gun. I made him cry using a little emotional intelligence and didn't raise my voice once. I have seen military members who yell in a training environment, then they think they can puff out their chest and do the same with civilians. The civilians won't lift a finger for that individual or their organization. My squadron had this exact problem until I rolled in. If you have to use your rank or big mouth to lead, I need you to sit down and STFU. My approach has worked wonders inside the squadron and with organizations outside the squadron like CONS and CE.

Thanks Dr. Phill. But you are 100% wrong. I'm sorry, but telling a kid his momma will be scraping his brains off a California highway from continuously speeding offbase on his motorcycle is the damn truth. Shirt wanted to take his driving privileges on base away after going through a stop sign on base. I told our Shirt no and our sister squadron Shirt backed me up. If an A1C is crying because he envisioned me having to tell his momma he died for being stupid, I'm okay with that scenario. I told him I will call his mother and make him explain to her why he can't stop speeding. If the enlisted come into your office to say great job Capt because it was effective. I'm rolling with the E’s on this one. Not some "Capt save a A1C on BODN.” Some of you couldn't lead your way out of a wet paper bag, especially dealing with the enlisted. A lot of you suck based on some of your moronic ass responses. #Facts #Paging CMSgt Wright