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I’m not exactly sure what you’re asking in reference to TFRs, but I’ll do my best to explain how we use them. There are two methods used to deconflict traffic around a Wildland Fire incident, the FTA (Fire Traffic Area) and the TFR. Easiest way to understand is that the FTA is for participating aircraft (I.e. assigned), while the TFR is used to keep non-participating aircraft out of the way. Generally, the Initial Attack (IA) phase will not have a TFR, just a FTA. As an incident moves into the Extended Attack (EA) phase a TFR will likely be initiated. This depends greatly on the particular AO of the incident. A fire in SoCal will get a TFR faster than one in the middle of nowhere usually. The TFR shape will morph as Fire activity dictates. The FTA was designed after a mid-air collision involving two S-2s in NorCal in 2001. This establishes a 5 mile ring around the incident and requires clearance in from the aerial supervision platform (if there is one). First call at 12nm from incident coordinates to receive clearance prior to 7nm, otherwise you hold out. First aircraft on scene make blind calls and are responsible for establishing the FTA. The stack starts at 2500’ AGL and moves down depending on aircraft type. It’s very well thought out and works great when everyone does their part. I’m not an expert on lead planes, but the main evolution I’ve seen in my seven seasons is the move towards making them all ASM (Aerial Supervision Module) platforms. Essentially, this is a Lead Plane with a specially trained ATGS (Air Tactical Group Supervisor, better known as Air Attack) sitting right seat to help with coordination. It’s been around a long time, but pretty much all of them are ASMs now. I believe it was the BLM that started that move, but I could be wrong. At CalFire, all our Lead Planes are ASMs and they use the OV-10. Most Fed leads use King Air 90s or 200s and the State of Alaska has a Commander 690 or two. The leads will be on scene for a few hours and really help on large incidents to increase the efficiency of operations by showing the tankers where to drop without a complicated “talk-on” from the Air Attack. Plus the Air Attack can get real busy talking to rotors and the ground, so it essentially splits the work. The lead will sometimes do a “show me” run for the Tanker to watch, then go for a live run with the Tanker in tow. In the S-2 we generally fly 1/4 mile in trail for the drop. The lead will mark the start/stop of the drop with smoke and make any wind corrections as required. As a Tanker pilot I’ll watch the smoke and correct off any extra drift if it’s different than expected. Some tankers require a lead plane in order to drop (VLATs and MAFFS). In the S-2 we usually get a “show me” and then fly our own drop pattern, but it really depends on how things are flowing and trying to be the most efficient we can. It also depends greatly on the individual pilot and what they like. I’ll take a lead if I’m unsure of the target or I’m already in a good position and we can get it done quickly. Most of the LATs (Large Air Tankers) seems to prefer a lead when one is available. It’s standard practice to order a lead for any Federal incident. For state incidents, we almost never order a lead until it goes big. Our standard order is an Ov-10 Air Attack, two S-2s, and a Helitack crew. It’s fast, efficient, and we generally catch them early doing this depending on fire conditions. Hope that answers your questions...

to the 25th Fighter Squadron for setting an example others should follow... Pil Sung!

I am amused at the Democrat party currently. The two leading candidates are both old white men. The DNC is literally ignoring the one remaining candidate, a smart minority woman. From the party who cherishes "diversity." One of them is seemingly in early Alzheimer's never mind his political record and adopting of the most leftward policies on this campaign trail. His third try, by the way. 1988, he had to withdraw after being caught plagerizing a British politician's speeches. And beaten by Obama in 2008, who he called a "clean, well-spoken black man." The other is literally a Socialist and not a member of the Democrat party. And had a heart attack during this campaign. Amazes me that Trump literally will be the youngest, healthiest contestant in the ring. That took some doing.

I get verbose, so here's the TL;DR: The training pipeline is a very time consuming and stressful time. You'll have 3-4 months of time you'll have to be apart no matter what due to types of training. If you come with him, your support will certainly help him; but realize that he might not be able to be as engaged in the relationship or reciprocating of the support. You may also have trouble finding work, as UPT bases are in the middle of nowhere small towns. If you stay back home, you'll spend a long time apart from one another; being alone will allow him to focus more on studying, but the stress of the program and strain on your relationship may make it tough for him to actually stay and complete the training. Regardless of what you choose, it's not going to be an easy road, but it's manageable if you have the right expectations (whichever you choose), your relationship is in the right place, and you both understand that the sacrifices made are just short term; things will get better and return to more normalcy as time goes along. Here's the longer, more in-depth version: My .02 from inside UPT now and what I've experienced/heard from other UPT folks. I'm late-30's, married, and we had a 7 month old when this adventure started and enjoyed living in New York City. I brought them with me and it's been much better. Even if I decided to complicate things further by adding another kiddo to the mix, arriving before the end of UPT. First, I went the Reserves route, because your training is all in one continuous line; he'll start OTS and will be on full-time orders from day 1 until popping out the other end (about 2 years) as a trained and unit-qualified pilot. The Guard has more breaks in training, where he might go to OTS, come home for a few months, then to SERE (takes a month), then home, then to UPT (takes a year), then home, then FTU (3-9 months, depending on airframe), then to his home unit. The breaks could be nice if you were staying put, but they could be more of a PITA if you're going with him and pulling up roots at your current home. You're going to 100% have to spend OTS (2 months) IFT (6 weeks, I think. He'll have to go to this if he doesn't have his pilot's license before starting UPT/skips it if he does), and SERE (one month) apart, as you really have no ability to go with him to any of that, so you'll be separated regardless. Then comes to the big chunk of time and stress; UPT. To make a bunch of long stories short, the gist I've seen from multiple folks and is that, unless you're PREPARED to spend that much time apart, it is VERY hard to be successful at UPT without family with you. I know more people that have dropped due to not having families come with them and only know a few folks, every one of them prior military service folks that have dealt with separation before, that are doing okay without their families here. So, if you're not used to spending serious time apart, it's very possible the strain can be too much for the relationship. The downsides of you coming are also notable. First is that UPT is a very demanding schedule and 12 hour days (just the time he'll be gone; not including him studying/mission planning at home) are very common. He'll be target-locked on studying and likely not be able to give as much time to you/your relationship as you're used to, since free moments are few and far between at many points. If you're used to him helping out a lot around the house, cooking dinner together, being able to sit and talk/watch TV with you for hours each night, etc., it'll likely be reduced greatly as he'll have to go study. Or, if he does still try to give that time to your relationship, he's going to be sacrificing the studying time and likely not doing as well in the program. There's only so much time in the day. Personally, I have had many moments where I needed to study and the need to be an engaged husband and father also required my attention. I've certainly erred toward my family over hitting the books as hard, which has certainly affected my performance, but those are the calculated decisions I've chosen to make. Everyone does their own math and handles it all differently. If he is a perfectionist or struggles more with some aspects along the way, just realized he might choose differently. Many people have done it and made it all work, but each person is different and you'll have to take a long look at yourselves and how you think you'll handle it. There's also the inability to get out of "this life" in that the bases are pretty much only for training pilots, so everyone is in the same boat. That can be good for support, but he is going to live and breathe UPT, which means you likely will, too. Your social interactions will involve him with other UPT students talking shop and you hanging with spouses that are also likely very involved with talking about UPT-related things. You're going to know where you're going being Guard/Reserves, so that stress doesn't exist for you guys, really. You're also on the older side (like we are), so your life experiences, wants, and needs may be different from other students (most are single) and spouses that might be fresh out of college, not working/never had a career, not thinking about kids, etc. Last big piece if you come with: UPT bases are in the middle of nowhere, so jobs can be tough to come by if you have something specialized that only exists in bigger cities. It's very likely the pay will be quite a bit lower; although your bills are much lower, so it kinda evens out. That said, chances of you finding a PR/Communications job you love as much as your current job (unless you can work remotely) close to one of the UPT bases are going to be pretty slim. Again, YMMV and I'm certainly not trying to scare you. But, it's important to have rational and managed expectations of what the choice makes. It's an amazing thing and extremely rewarding, but it's not without pitfalls. But, that's life. Haha. Anyway, sorry this got long. Feel free to ask away with any other questions you might have! Good luck to you both!

Fogleman was a BAMF'er. Spoke at my SOS class. 100% old school warrior. Just ignore the douchebag on his right in this photo... https://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visit/Museum-Exhibits/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/195816/misty-facs/

Hope this will be worth a ticket: https://youtu.be/eyzxu26-Wqk

'Greyhound' is based on the book 'The Good Sheppard' by C.S. Forester, he of Horatio Hornblower fame. I read all his books as a kid, they are all excellent, and 'The Good Sheppard' is one of his best. https://www.amazon.com/Good-Shepherd-C-S-Forester/dp/0143134124 While Tom Hanks is way to old to be an American destroyer captain in early 1942, he is one of the few actors who could pull this off. I'm really looking forward to this movie.

Hopefully they invest some more in the CGI. These movies always look "too clean" for my liking. However, I am excited for the story about crossing the North Atlantic during WWII. A lot of that sacrifice is forgotten and/or simply a note in the text books about "U-boats attacked convoys." It's sounds terrifying...not as terrifying as being in a bomber, but close.

Yeah! Early retirement eligible and also TAMP-180 (I think that’s the right term). We are currently fighting TACC and A3 about Manning. Technically, we get 2 full crews on Title-10 alert. Which if played out, would be working 15 days a month... good luck getting anyone to volunteer for that. A3 supplements us with enough “man-days” to create another crew although that is not the “intention” of the days they give us. When scheduled out, the 3 crew ratio lets us schedule people to work 10 days a month, which gets a lot of airline guys and even guest help beating down the doors to participate for 33 days here and there. We have 2 pilot managers and 2 boom managers who stay on Alert Orders most of the year and deal with all the management and scheduling headaches. I was blessed to be able to slide into this job post divorce and life has been pretty incredible since. Coming off orders soon though to knock out my off-probation checkride, but when I figured out my “break even” point, Alert vs. SWA, I will have to be a 5 year FO before I start losing money on Alert... that puts me so close to an AD military retirement that it would be stupid to walk away from the O-5 pension. I just need Alert to hang on for a little while longer. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app

Quick on the feedback! Awesome man! I have given it some thought on retaking the AFOQT to try and boost my non pilot/nav scores as Madison told me that was why I did not receive an interview with them. Right now I have just been dead set on CAS being the primary role I want to work on hence the A-10s (and now F-16s) I know I'm being a little too picky and can't always have it my way. Thanks again for the feedback man and best of luck with your applications as well!

I’m just another wannabe but I’d say your stats and background are outstanding. Pretty much the only mediocre thing would be your non-aviation AFOQT scores, but I’d think your Pilot/Nav, PCSM, and flight time outweigh that. I guess you could retake the AFOQT if you feel confident you won’t do any worse. Retaking the TBAS could maybe help a little too — my AFOQT Pilot is a 92 too but my PCSM 201+ hour projected column is a 97, so that seems like evidence that there’s a little room for improvement in your TBAS performance. In the grand scheme of things I’d say that’s trivial, but then again this is an extremely competitive endeavor so it might be worth doing. You have tons of time with the new age limit. I don’t think there’s any one single thing you could do at this point to significantly improve your chances other than casting a wider net (even just opening up to F-15 units, since it sounds like you’re set on fighters) and staying persistent. As long as you’re not a douche and you keep taking feedback and advice to heart, I’d say it’s only a matter of time.

Shack. The ADSC was the death knell. Nobody who is interested in this program wants to be on the hook for that long, or at all. That guarantees you a 365. As for the pay issue, Over 6 year flight pay in 1990 was $650, it’s currently $700. Adjusted for inflation it should be $1,282 per month. The AF can pay $800 in flight pay for Over 6, and $1000 for Over 10 but they refuse. I’m not saying it’s all about the money, but erosion of these benefits over time has an effect on retention. I didn’t even mention BAH value cuts. Fixing issues like this and allowing guys to stay on a ‘fly-only’ track that preserves their ability to make decisions about their future might get them to stay for an additional assignment or two. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

“You're going to have to do something more to entice me to come back out of retirement... again.” - HuggyU2 Now that was funny, good stuff right there. AND Gen Ronald Fogleman was the Best. We roof stomped him late at night (best we could at his VOQ) at Maxwell during “The Gathering of Eagles.” We let him know we were upset he retired, but he kept his word so there’s that. He had a shot of Jeremiah Weed with each and every one of us in his boxers and handed us his business card. Told us he was in a shit business. Porta Potty rental business in Durango, CO. Don’t make them like him anymore. Tex Hill and other warriors there put us under the table, they were unstoppable. Good Times!

And this is what the real truth is. You want him to ruin any chance he has of positive impact for the force for the future. He goes balls to the wall for what and lose any ability to advocate for the service. He's got to fall in line with all kinds of civilian leadership, on top of ensuring he gets buy in from the 3-stars and up that his changes will continue. Are there people here who really believe there'll be mass retirements in protest from the eligible 4-stars over...additional duties, or 1 failed aircraft acquisition? Is it just jr. Capt's on here complaining the Finger's has done nothing but the song changes and the light attack? CSS' have grown, and we've seen more power return to the Sq CC's that have had the balls to use it. If yours hasn't...that's not on Fingers. I've also seen a thawing of the frozen middle we detest at the ops levels...staff is going to take awhile. 2 line PRF's, extended the HPO pole years and come down on the way we're grooming officers, Cyber moved to ACC, and there's been tons of good growth there that came from HAF, changes to our IDE selection and ability to attending/timing, tons of positive changes to the E-side of the house. I've seen the attitude of the USAF change positively since he's taken over.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Fogleman https://www.nytimes.com/1997/07/29/us/criticism-over-blast-leads-top-air-force-general-to-retire.html July 30, 1997 As my tenure as your Chief of Staff ends, I want to tell you what an honor and a privilege it has been to represent everyone in the United States Air Force. The timing of my announcement was driven by the desire to defuse the perceived confrontation between myself and the Secretary of Defense over his impending decision on the Khobar Towers terrorist attack. The decision to retire was made after considerable deliberation over the past several weeks. On one level, I’ve always said that my serving as the Chief of Staff was a “tour” not a “sentence” and that I would leave when I made all the contributions that I could. After I accepted this position in 1994, I met with other senior leaders of the Air Force to discuss our goals for my tenure. We wanted to take care of the troops and their families, to stabilize the force, to set a course for modernization, and to develop a new strategic vision. During some difficult and challenging times, we have worked hard to accomplish that and more. Certainly there is more to be done, but the framework of the plan and the leadership [are] in place to move forward with the support and efforts of the magnificent men and women of our Air Force. On another level, military service is the only life I have ever known. My stock in trade after 34 years of service is my military judgment and advice. After serving as Chief of Staff for almost three years, my values and sense of loyalty to our soldiers, sailors, marines, and especially our airmen led me to the conclusion that I may be out of step with the times and some of the thinking of the establishment. This puts me in an awkward position. If I were to continue to serve as Chief of Staff of the Air Force and speak out, I could be seen as a divisive force and not a team player. I do not want the Air Force to suffer for my judgment and convictions. In my view, this would happen if I continue as your Chief. For these reasons I have decided to retire and devote more time to personal interests and my family, … but the Air Force will always be in my thoughts. [My wife] and I have met a lot of wonderful American servicemen and -women—active duty, Guard, Reserve, civilians, and family members—and they will continue to be a part of our lives. We have been proud to represent the men and women of the United States Air Force around the globe and to serve in the finest Air Force in the world. God bless and keep you all as you continue to serve this great nation.

My opinion...you don't get that cushy consulting/board member gigs by ruffling feathers.

So was Gen Goldfein but all I can remember about him presently as the CSAF is a Rapid Fielding Acquisition Light Attack Experiment that went no where and the AF song becoming more politically correct. Most CSAFs were great Squadron, Group and Wing Commanders but the unfortunate part about CSAF is that they have to wade through the political crap in D.C. and we rarely see any real change for the better.

So was Welsh. Lots of hopes were high. And he decided to front load a RIF and then cash in all of his chips trying to park the A-10.

I'm also very curious to know what happened. As a former flight safety guy, this one really surprises me. The aircraft is fairly intact, resting on flat terrain and I'm not aware of an airfield anywhere nearby, at least not one that the BACN would operate out of. RIP to the crew...I've known a number of guys who've deployed to do that mission. It was often seen as an easy, "nice" deployment where one can rack up flying hours. Tragic that this happened. And to the users on here trying to get into a slap-fight with fellow forum users for merely wondering out loud what could have happened...so long as no one is revealing OPSEC info or being disrespectful (as stated before), so what? It's a military aviation forum. Go find other things to feel important about.