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Well now that the TR is down for the count, we'll be seeing Flankers in the skies over the U.S. any day now. If you had just sent the email properly, none of this would have happened. Thanks a lot Capt. Crozier 🙄

Now > 400 positive COVID-19 cases from the TR alone, with one sailor in the ICU. That’s damn near 10% of the crew. More than half of the cases Navy-wide are from that one single ship. Given the R0 of this virus, the rest of the TR crew would soon have been infected if dramatic action wasn’t taken. IMHO Crozier is looking better and better for ringing a 4-alarm fire bell. Nitpicking his email tactics (literally “But his emails!!”) pales in importance to the importance of taking action to save the crew.

On Mar 4th many people on this forum, (including myself) and talking heads on TV were convinced this virus was a hoax, over hyped, or a political ploy. We have been in isolation long enough that we have quickly forgotten how casual our attitudes were only a month ago. I hardly blame crozier for porting.

Ironic: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/04/08/navy-secretary-trip-roosevelt-cost-243-000-leads-modly-ouster/2973486001/ I just heard on the news that CNO is considering reinstating Crozier to his command billet on the Roosevelt. That would be quite a turn around.

This. According to the CDC, there were 15 reported cases in the US when they decided to have Mardi Gras.

Maybe he didn't encrypt it because he knew everyone was working from home and wouldn't have been able to open the email.

Okay, so I am bored and sick of the coronavirus bullshit. Decided to see what topics were on the first page of the forum, ya know...13 years ago. Not sure this thread title aged well. 😂

The Navy gives a ship CO an incredible amount of latitude on how they deal with their boat. The Admiral has a say, but it’s mainly on having boat A in location B to do the fighting. 99.9% of the actual boat day-to-day is left up to the CO. In my opinion, what makes this whole situation completely f-ed up is that SECNAV relieved him. If the relief was going to happen it should’ve been (or I would’ve expected) from the strike group admiral or 7th Fleet, or at highest Pac Fleet. The fact that it went all the way to SECNAV makes me think that the chain of command was actually OK with the letter.

If something is classified, it gets sent via SIPR or higher. If something is sensitive but not classified, it gets sent encrypted on NIPR. Saying sensitive but not classified info now needs to go on SIPR is frankly BS.

The new rules are like the TSA, but for everyone’s health and without the excitement of advanced screening pat-downs. All mostly theater to make it seem like something is being done and to give some folks warm and fuzzies.

There’s not enough evidence to draw solid conclusions here, especially as low-SA non-players, because no investigation into Crozier’s actions happened before he was fired. Which is pretty much the reason for the whole argument. It was a knee-jerk emotional firing by the SecNav. There'll probably be an investigation now...

This ^ and that was on March 4th. There was plenty of information out about the virus by then.

The Prodigy!

A few more details/????; Also, see Air Force Gen. John Hyten, vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff "Comments"; "Roosevelt Sailor with COVID-19 Found Unresponsive in Guam " https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/04/09/roosevelt-sailor-covid-19-found-unresponsive-guam.html

Ha, I'm guessing it's the same 6 discs that I put in there when I bought my car in 2006 (two days before AMS). What those CDs are, I have no idea 🤣. I'd wager SocialD (clearly), Metallica, Jim Croce, CCR, Nirvana and Foo Fighters.

Yeah, those countries' stay-at-home-orders were "stay at home, if you come out you're going to jail." Not our version where you go pick up some baking supplies, play some basketball at the community center, hit the gym, go touch some playground equipment, etc., etc. Ours will work at flattening the curve, but you're not gonna suppress the virus that way.

In a previous squadron when the drop from 75 to 60 occurred we had someone who took 2.5 straight months off. We all thought he had PCS'ed because no one had seen him in so long.

PBS Frontline episode entitled China Undercover covering the crackdown on Uighurs and the overall extent of the police state in Xinjiang.

Weird how that works. Edit to add once you get to a certain point in the doc, this will make sense: Can’t be violating human rights if you don’t consider them human.

I find it very hard to believe that Crozier simply jumped the chain of command including the adm just down the hall without having exhausted other options first. I'd bet most of my money that he tried passing concerns through the appropriate channels to the appropriate people and was met with "press/figure it out/be an athlete.." This is a story we've heard a million times. Leadership won't pay attention to a mid-level problem until A: it becomes so severe they can't ignore it, or B: the mid-level commander forces them to pay attention. Looks like Crozier chose option B to prevent option A. So he decided to send a nuclear bomb of an email that he knew would blow back on him but at least get his crew taken care of. And judging by the crew and big navy's reaction, this seems like the only plausible read of the situation.

As M2 pointed out, he had a 1-star just down the hallway. I'd guess the two of them discussed it, the 1-star told Crozier "noted... press on" and CAPT Crozier didn't care for that. Oh well. He came to a fork in the road, and made his choice. As one of the articles I read stated: "It wasn't just sent up the chain of command, it was send and copied to a broad array of other people. It was send outside the chain of command." I don't know much about Navy ops... but a carrier strike group is a pretty big deal, and represents a metric shit-ton of American power and might. Everyone knows the Pacific Theater carries a lot of risk to American presence. I have no doubt the admiral in charge of that group is up to the task, and that he understands the mission comes first. It was the admiral's call on how to handle this, and Crozier tried to bypass him.

Not the point. First, just because it isn't classified doesn't mean it doesn't have to be protected. Secondly, he had easy access to SIPRNET, so reporting sensitive information via it would have made a lot more sense. Thirdly, his immediate boss, Commander Carrier Strike Group NINE RADM Stuart “Studa” Baker was literally just down the hall from him. I understand there reportedly were "tensions" between Crozier and Baker, but that's no reason to jump the chain of command except for extreme circumstances. Again, there's too many unknowns at the moment to determine who was actually right; and to be honest I suspect all parties have blood on their hands when it comes to this incident; but there is clear evidence that Crozier had better mechanisms to communicate his concerns, and didn't use them. Does that justify his firing? Not really, but it does address the accusation of claims of bad judgment in terms of communicating. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/dont-fixate-on-secretary-modly-we-need-to-hear-from-rear-admiral-stu-baker-on-captain-crozier

Well, our Navy, the best Navy in the world, deserves a better Secretary. I wager a case of Pliney IPAs that CAPT Crozier drafted that message, read it 50 more times, sipping a scotch or whatever hooch he has squirreled away in his office, gazed out the window at the sea reminiscing of good times, and knew once he hit send, his career was over, but his folks might get the help he wanted them to get, and that was worth it. It's a shame shit like this has to happen, but it will keep happening because we will always have piss poor people in important jobs above us. And I just guessing here, but a few more heads will roll, probably starting with the "Adm down the hall." Out

I'm not a big fan of the index here. It's still quite expensive, in fact if you look at revised estimates for 2020 earnings you are paying the same P/E today as you were at the market peak in early February. Hardly a steal. We're also still at almost 2x Sales when historic average is 1.5x and that's on trailing revenues. There are some interesting cheap stocks out there although I would avoid airlines and casinos given poor balance sheets and incredibly high operating leverage. The government bailout of the airlines includes warrants which are massively dilutive to the equity in order to save the businesses from bankruptcy. That's not a good thing for those buying today. Aircraft lessors look like a much better bet at 0.3x book value. There are a bunch of junior gold miners who are still discounting ~$1,300 gold when spot is now $1,690 (I did a basket approach here because the risk of any individual miner can still be high). Crude tankers are getting a huge lift from the oil contango that still isn't fully priced in. Some smaller regional banks are now down to 0.5x book, even after they take some loan losses here they're probably ~0.7x book. Gun and ammo companies are getting hit despite the highest ever YoY NICS reading in March and Sportsman's Warehouse saying they are restricting the amount of ammo you can buy each day so they have enough to go around.

Probably a few reasons. One, engineers are generally thought of as "smart" people (as a practicing engineer, I can tell you this is most definitely not true) and in general, people think you need to be extremely intelligent to fly an airplane. Not that you dont need to be smart, but simply flying isn't rocket science....unless your an astronaut, then it literally is. Engineers are also problem solvers by trade, which bodes well to flying aircraft in general and in an military environment I would guess as well. Not to toot my own horn, but acquiring and engineering degree not easy. I would say it is difficult for 90% of people that get them. There is a lot of complex information to learn while getting that degree and I think that bodes well to the mindset you need to have going into pilot training. Bottom line, the degree you have doesn't mean you can fly a plane better than the guy next to you, but I think it does influence your train of thought, problem solving methodology, and critical thinking skills. All that said, you still need a good GPA. That is what is important. Cool, you got a degree in particle physics? Well that doesnt mean diddly if you graduated with a 2.5. A 4.0 in basket weaving is better than a low GPA in engineering. To add, I know a A-10 pilot and a F-15C pilot, both have degrees in Crop/Soil science or something like that. So it really doesn't matter.

I'll pick up that torch. 6. Crozier retires with an O-6 pension. 7. Lands a comfortable, high-paying gig. 8. Writes a book and/or becomes a news SME. 9. Looks back at his decision with his head held high. 10. Realizes he's much happier now that he's out of the shitshow that is the service.

Maybe his speechwriter is the person that yelled "WTF" during his speech.