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But, much like Pearl Harbor or 9\11, this is an event that is disproportionately affecting those particular locations more than others, which can make it hard for those on the outside to grasp the gravity of the situation. For my Manhattan firehouse, nearly 20 of the 65 people assigned have or are recovering from COVID, with nearly 20% of the entire FDNY out on medical leave with it. Bros are having to quarantine in hotels away for days/weeks from their families to avoid bringing exposures home. Our work chart is changed to one that hasn’t been used since the days after 9/11. They’re told by the FDNY to report to work EVEN IF THEY TESTED POSITIVE as long as they’re not showing symptoms because manpower is so dire. CPR calls and home deaths, usually around 20/day throughout the whole city, are well north of 200/day. It appears those deaths are not being counted as COVID, at least initially, because they haven’t tested the deceased to tie it to that. I guess I’m saying that, just because it seems like this is a ridiculous inconvenience that’s overblown in a lot of other areas of the country, it certainly is capable of being way worse and having much further-reaching ramifications if left unchecked.

https://www.duffelblog.com/2020/04/pentagon-worries-capt-croziers-concern-for-his-sailors-may-be-contagious/ As usual, DuffleBlog nails it 😆

Yahoo finance news article today estimating this is going to push FIVE HUNDRED MILLION people worldwide into poverty. Hope it’s worth it tragedy that people are dying. It is. Horrible that some young people die. but young people die of the flu each year too. You just don’t hear about it. Is this worse? Probably. But at what cost? people can shit on trump for being a dope but he’s right the cure can’t be worse than the disease

10. 1 died from being chopped up and fed to his wife’s tigers

While going to the U of Hawaii I majored in sailing ( no shit 3 yrs sailing scholarship) and struggled thru business school after dropping out of engineering. Took five years to graduate (who graduates from U of H in 4?) and was a DG out of UPT. Go figure. Studying hard for an exam:

Agreed. If the mitigation measures seem like ridiculous overkill, that's because they're working. And we need to keep doing them. It's pretty annoying and very scientifically illiterate that people are talking about lifting restrictions the moment new york has a slight leveling off in infection rate.

Last Sunday, the US Surgeon General said that this week would be our Pearl Harbor moment, our 9/11 moment. Our children and our children’s children would remember the tragedy of this week, with all the death, etc... Outside of nyc, hospitals are closing because they don’t have enough patients, due to the measures taken to preserve capacity for coronavirus. Health care workers, my niece included, are out of work because they are only allowed to do ‘essential’ health care and coronavirus. And there just not enough to keep them employed. I do agree with the surgeon general that there are historic parallels. But they’re not Pearl Harbor or 9/11.

Danger’s list of comparisons + the pics in the above link are one of several things demonstrating how we are fucking this away. Measured response, not freak-the-fuck-out-and-shut-down-the-world response.

The big news today was that Covid deaths have surpassed 100,000 worldwide. Since I’m socially isolated and bored, I looked some info up: 1. 7,671 a day die from obesity worldwide (2.8 mil annual) 2. Estimates up to 59k this year in the US for influenza. 3. 1,772 die a day from heart disease in the US (647,000 annual). 4. 3,699 die a day worldwide from driving (1.35 mil annual) 5. Over 2 million die yearly worldwide from work related accidents and Illnesses. 6. From 2008-2015, 1,610 people died from animal attacks. Mostly from farm animals and bees/wasps. 86 annually from venomous animals. 7. 67,300 died from drug overdose in the US in 2018. 8. 88,000 died from alcohol abuse in the US annually. 9. 1,300 a day die from tobacco (personal or second hand). Food for thought.

Because I've seen how baggers at the commissary and workers at Chick-fil-A wear them. Put on a pair at the beginning of your shift, bag everyone stuff, cough into your hands, rub your eyes, scratch the top of your head, bag some more groceries... It might work if they were changing gloves regularly or using SOME kind of restraint with where they put their hands. As it is, all it does is keep them from washing their hands more often.

Now > 400 positive COVID-19 cases from the TR alone, with one sailor in the ICU. That’s damn near 10% of the crew. More than half of the cases Navy-wide are from that one single ship. Given the R0 of this virus, the rest of the TR crew would soon have been infected if dramatic action wasn’t taken. IMHO Crozier is looking better and better for ringing a 4-alarm fire bell. Nitpicking his email tactics (literally “But his emails!!”) pales in importance to the importance of taking action to save the crew.

In a previous squadron when the drop from 75 to 60 occurred we had someone who took 2.5 straight months off. We all thought he had PCS'ed because no one had seen him in so long.

I don't know that any of them are yet even certain if they're going to furlough or not. That being said, Purple is currently planning on filling classes from the hiring pool throughout the rest of the year.

haha yea very true. I was trying to make the point that you can't rent many airplanes with good performance and are just a blast to fly.

What a novel idea: From each country according to its ability, to each country according to its needs. Imagine the entire world united under one governing body to provide dignity and "universal social protections" for every person. Sounds good to me.

Nothing make or break. Just updates on the board being pushed back a couple months and another updating the poc email.

Shack. Even I... just call me "Boomer"... have a big collection of CD's gathering dust. I built a great bunch of songs for my 2020 airshow soundtracks. Too bad the season is a loss. I grabbed some great sections of the following songs: The Trooper, 2 Minutes to Midnight, Flight of Icarus, Cowboys from Hell, Dreams, In the End, New Divide, Pressure and Time, Joker and the Thief, Ladies and Gentlemen, Click Click Boom, Bad Motor Scooter, Shoot to Thrill, Hangar 18, Alien Nation, Hail to the King, Fuel, Bodies, Voices, 10,000 Fists, Modern Day Cowboy, Flat Liner, Fallen Angel, Metal Health, Bark at the Moon... and about 60 more. Until I go to an airshow, I'll just play them at home with the volume at 11... when the the wife is gone. p.s. don't worry, kids: I have some current stuff I can play too. It won't be relevant in 18 months, and neither will the artist so I don't have any idea what the song names are.

Just stopping by to keep my dream of flying the KC-135 alive. Carry on gents. 🤘

What’s to “get away with”? it’s written in the damn regs. I always put my leave in LeaveWeb to start at 1200 the day prior to the first chargeable day. It always gets approved. If someone scowled at me for doing what the regs state, I think I’d laugh in their face.

People is kind of generic don’t you think. Maybe the people you associate with or live with or watch don’t do it hence “people”. We’ll just call them the ignorant to further specify. Not great, but better. If anyone is like this, totally agree, don’t wear gloves, don’t do anything, why bother, just stay away from me. Your right, definitely much more authoritarian in the Asian sector and I do not wish to be under such gubment power. But, it’s also a matter of discipline, washing hands, staying apart, Hong Kong folks shopping heavily ”trying” to keep distance (just not bumping into me which was normal) almost all with masks, some have gloves, most do not I grant you - but they’ve been out for weeks now with no doors welded keeping them in. It was very lite traffic doing essentials early on during the epidemic and some even had trackable wrist bands, plastic style/paper not handcuffs. Deliveries between all buildings every night for morning delivery. Nearly 7.5 million would have starved as they are much more thin than us, all kidding aside there was quite a bit of common sense support. Not advocating, just informing, just saying. I’ll see if I can dig up some of my HKG mall photos as of recent. Easy peasy for them and when over, they’ll resume normal ops. Culture, discipline, government definitely deeper. Just watching it in real time and not via the internet/news. Good stuff and bad stuff going on as usual, we are doing better. Economy, that’s to be seen and I do believe their are many other ways to have dealt with this specifically regarding our countries culture/economy 20/20 hindsight of course. Just be safe out there!

John Prine for the past few days...dude was amazing

This style mask should fix folks safe distance problems in most places they shop. TBD if it will work in South Texas?

Got stopped at the commissary door today because I didn’t have a face covering. By three people wearing face coverings and literally standing shoulder to shoulder. I’m excited for tomorrow’s preventive measure of the day. Hopefully we can all self- radicalize to support whatever they say it is next. Remember to shame your neighbors over this previously unmentioned mitigation strategy.

a lot of things “can’t hurt” but we don’t do them. It’s time to face this virus head on and open up the economy.

Because people wearing gloves don't wash their hands or use hand sanitizer. It's a false sense of security.

Lot of crow to be eaten by Big Gray if true. Pretty unprecedented. And still the admirals between then CO Crozier and acting SECNAV have a role in this. Either active or passive, but this cluster is gonna have some further fratricide...

Ironic: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/04/08/navy-secretary-trip-roosevelt-cost-243-000-leads-modly-ouster/2973486001/ I just heard on the news that CNO is considering reinstating Crozier to his command billet on the Roosevelt. That would be quite a turn around.

I got an update from the 457th in Fort Worth, made it through the first stage it says! Obviously they can't do anything right now but it was certainly encouraging to read in a time where encouragement is in shorter supply than usual.

Well now that the TR is down for the count, we'll be seeing Flankers in the skies over the U.S. any day now. If you had just sent the email properly, none of this would have happened. Thanks a lot Capt. Crozier 🙄

Do we have any evidence it was NOT encrypted on NIPR?

And possobly illegal. The memo was already marked FOUO which means someone already broke a law by leaking it. Yes, you could send via SIPR, but with the same recipient list the leaker would still have recieved it. It would still have to be marked FOUO on SIPR. Leaker can still print it and take it home. Marking it secret on SIPR when the contents are in fact FOUO is a crime. The direction or suggestion to move the conversation to SIPR indicates a lack of understanding on information control procedures by senior Navy leadership. Some other thoughts I've had though. 1.) What would public perception have been if we evacuated an aircraft carrier of demographically young/healthier people, when we are making cruise ships sit at sea for 2-3 weeks when they have outbreaks. 2.) What was the demographic of the outbreak? If it disproportionately effected officers you have some serious command and control issues to be weary of. Effecting certain sections like engines might jeapordize safety, etc...

Okay, so I am bored and sick of the coronavirus bullshit. Decided to see what topics were on the first page of the forum, ya know...13 years ago. Not sure this thread title aged well. 😂

If something is classified, it gets sent via SIPR or higher. If something is sensitive but not classified, it gets sent encrypted on NIPR. Saying sensitive but not classified info now needs to go on SIPR is frankly BS.

Fits DoD policy perfectly. "Here, put on these masks so we don't spread Covid-19 all over the military. Stop movement. No TDYs. No PCS. No leave". "We know you have two dozen positive cases, but keep hot bunking and working inches away from the sick crew members.".

Just spitballing here, but perhaps the Captain considered it "extreme circumstances" to be on a ship of ~4K sailors all stacked up nuts-to-butts while a deadly virus swept the ship, despite being docked at a friendly port, all under a bureaucracy that was slow-rolling his attempts to evacuate the crew 🤷‍♂️ Dude knew he was falling on his sword to protect his people, the SECNAV played stupid games and won a stupid prize, and Monday morning quarterbacking is kind of like masturbation...we all do it and it's fun up to a certain point, but only to a point. There are always things to address in the debrief, but I'm not having a hard time seeing who was broadly right and who was broadly wrong in this situation even with limited information.

Two points that have irked me. First, nothing in the letter he sent was classified information. Having spent 18 years in the Navy, I’m pretty familiar with what reporting requirements are classified on ship readiness. The Captain was brilliant in the way he phrased his letter because none of it hit the classified mark. Second, he is being denigrated for the letter leaking. From some friends of mine on the 7th Fleet staff, he didn’t leak it, someone else did. Holding Capt Crozier responsible for it leaking would be the same as me sending a SIPR email, it gets leaked by someone on the to or cc line, and it’s my fault it leaked. Capt Crozier did what he needed to to help his sailors. I’m not surprised he got fired because it made his chain of command look bad, and people don’t like being told by their subordinates that they are all ed up.

I'll pick up that torch. 6. Crozier retires with an O-6 pension. 7. Lands a comfortable, high-paying gig. 8. Writes a book and/or becomes a news SME. 9. Looks back at his decision with his head held high. 10. Realizes he's much happier now that he's out of the shitshow that is the service.

Maybe his speechwriter is the person that yelled "WTF" during his speech.

If you decide to reconsider the Yak-18T option, let me know and I'll get you in touch with Ross Granley. Maybe you've already spoken to him. Ross flies to airshows with the family... unloads a ton of luggage... then flies an aerobatic two-ship performance with his dad in a Yak-55... then packs up and goes home. He's got a ton of Yak -18T experience and would be a great resource. Possibly a quotable quote.

This nerd Rogoway’s touching himself to the idea that he got this O-6 to have to close the loop with him.

We are not allowed to go anywhere off base other than our "primary residence" and everyone in the commissary/BX is required to wear a mask. Is this not the norm for other bases?