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we were sold on these drastic measures to "flatten the curve" and not "overwhelm" our healthcare system. that's been accomplished now let's get to it. or do you keep moving goal posts around? people die every year of the flu. people will die of this virus. it sucks. but its not an excuse to wreck our economy, take away constitutional rights (ie Raleigh police), and FORCE people to stay in their house

Some of y’all here be like this

I mean hey, nothing like declaring victory right away at the first sign of hope! I can't see any historical precedent where that didn't work out... In all seriousness, let's follow the science & the recommendations of public health experts and implement a conditions-based plan for how we can lessen some of the temporary restrictions without needlessly getting more people killed. That doesn't exactly fit on a bumper sticker but it's the best way to move forward. Everyone wants to get back to normal, but I for one don't want to do so at the cost of thousands more American lives who would otherwise live if we act more cautiously. Let's ensure the virus is truly beaten back and ultimately defeated via better treatments for those who get sick & effective vaccines for everyone else.

Some of y’all on here be like

curve flattened. back to work. stop trampling on the fucking constitution.

There is a zero percent chance the mortality rate of this thing is 3%. We have crappy data on the actual number of deaths, and effectively no data of the number of asymptomatic/resolved cases. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2009316 13% of a semi-random sample were infected without symptoms. Extrapolate that out and NYC alone has one million asymptomatic cases, or five times what the entire state is reporting. That means at the epicenter in the US the death rate is 1% or lower. Everywhere else will be even better. This thing is going to be about as fatal as the flu (my guess), but it's much more contagious than the flu, and everyone is getting it all at once. We definitely needed to do something to mitigate the risk. But we did nothing, then we did too much. Face masks for everyone who goes out in public, six feet social distancing, including tables at restaurants, no public gathering like concerts and sporting events, and keep the high-risk people at home. That probably would have been enough, but we panicked and didn't allow the social distancing measures to take effect before locking everything down. TJ Maxx, where no one gets within 6 feet of each other usually, is closed while grocery stores, where people are all over each other, are open. We did not have to erase 3 months of wealth creation, but we did. At least it will be a great time to invest or get a mortgage, if I don't get furloughed. But worse, because the "experts" were too afraid to admit they just didn't know (death rate of 3.4%), because they felt the need to bend the truth to influence behavior ("masks don't really help, so let the health professionals have them"), we will leave this crisis with yet another reason for many people to not trust trained professionals, and to not trust science. Pity. Another one added to the list. Global warming, global cooling, acid rain, peak oil, overpopulation, nuclear holocaust, zika, Y2K, the food pyramid, satanic cults, COVID-19.

Terminal

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/coronavirus-wuhan-lab-china-compete-us-sources Cliffs: China was experimenting on SARS-CoV-2 for research not as a bioweapon. It escaped containment at the Wuhan Lab. The Chinese went full Chinese and lied and covered it up so it spread.

Sure, we can argue about Kung flu mortality rates. Is it 3% Is it .01%? We can b1tch about frozen PCS and money lost and families inconvenienced. We can commiserate about our comrades who had their deployments extended. But dammit, THIS is serious: https://movieweb.com/top-gun-2-maverick-release-date-delay/ Oh, the humanity...

Yes! Yes! Yes! I know pic takes up space, but it’s glorious Bacon. Arg has it right. Self sustaining, if not close to it. Preparing Prime Rib right now, store bought but still a nice cut. Everyone else bought the Chicken out and ignored the Prime Rib at $6 a lb. Guess I’ll eat the Prime(s) x 4 for two weeks, too lazy to thaw my chicken. Thx Arg, that’s living - some will say it’s bad for us but we all pass and there’s nothing like being a carnivore. Sorry, derailed there - But it’s Bacon!

The next generation(s) will pay it back. Whether they want to or not. The panic in the media feels orchestrated, over reaching and unnecessary. The social media reaction to all of this is what scares me the most. The acceptance of curfews, ridiculous restrictions and just general “the government knows best” attitude. That’s what is truly scary, and I have immediate family in the high risk category for this.

Assembling to protest is far from outdated. With the ability of governments to silence and track digital communication, some argue it is more relevant than ever.

Well, they (medical professionals) don't have the authority to do much. Only advise our elected officials, who in turn can take the advice and act, or ignore it, and everything in between. I guess they can triage patients if space/supplies runs low, but that's driven by the demand for medical services. If the executives (president, governors, etc) are overstepping their bounds, the legislatures or judicial branches need to step in and intervene. A lot has changed in our society since the Constitution was written. Not saying the underlying principles necessarily need to change, but there are a lot of problems that didn't exist or weren't fully understood during the founding father's times, and it should be cause for us to reexamine as a country what we value and believe in. Germ theory was still in it's infancy when the Constitution was written, and they didn't have an understanding of what caused diseases and how they are spread like we do now. Couple that with rapid global transportation, and the ability for the average person to hop in their car and be a 1000 miles away in a day, and diseases can spread much further and faster than before. On the flip side, it's never been easier to communicate and spread ideas. Way back then, press and assembling was the only real way to spread ideas and dissenting opinions, and why I think it's codified in the bill of Rights. Now, we have the ability to organize and spread ideas digitally; what role does press and assembling play now? So how do we balance individual liberty against the liberty of others, and the needs of our society as a whole? Is access to medical care a right, and if so, where is the line drawn for what is or isn't covered, and how is it funded? We need to have this discussion as a country, to reassess what we value and what our core beliefs are, and how to implement those beliefs and values. Lots of other things as well, like the reach and oversight of our intelligence community, the role and use of our military overseas, how to build and more importantly maintain critical infrastructure (and what things fall under critical infrastructure), etc. It's not an easy task, but we need to elect leaders who will work through these core issues on behalf of their constituency. Should be an interesting election year given all the craziness so far, and hopefully we can get past partisan politics to solve these issues.

Agreed, we should wait for medical professionals to let us know when it’s safe to resume the constitution. Until then, let’s put our faith in constantly changing projections/recommendations and continue arresting church goers. Safety first, whatever the cost! Sarcasm BTW. If this is a crisis, declare Marshall law; then you can drag worshippers out of synagogues and arrest people solo on the beach with at least an appearance of legality. But we don’t live in a country where “professionals” make guesses and governors enforce mandates which trample the Bill of Rights.... although clearly some of you want to live under that tyranny. The bad guys never realize they’re the bad guys.

Submit a support ticket to my private message box and in 3 days I'll consider fixing it. Or I might give you some ambiguous advice that won't fix it. Either way, I just gave a half a shit more than the AF did about their PME programs.

An interesting read... The Problem With Coronavirus Models Is How We Talk About Them

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Interesting you say that. 30-50% of patients tested at the Chicago Roseland hospital already have the antibody. https://chicagocitywire.com/stories/530092711-roseland-hospital-phlebotomist-30-of-those-tested-have-coronavirus-antibody

This is great news. If we find out that *way more* people are infected than we thought, then it's not as deadly, and the curve is a lot flatter than originally suggested.

I'm currently waiting to begin my first facilitated on 7.0. Same limfacs as 6.0, gotta wait for the faciliated courses, one a month. Plus the whole d!ckdance that is CANVAS (they moved away from blackboard) having to wait for AUSIS to reflect grades before the windows 3.1 coded UI allows you to enroll on the next modules. 7.0 has more modules in total too, to include one more faciliated, so logistically cannot be done as fast as 6.0 by default. Have a snickers, cuz you're gonna be at this a while. As to content, Jesus, this sh%t is actually making me dumber, but I had a brick and mortar STEM masters before I decided to leroy jenkins my life and become a stick monkey for the USAF in lieu of respectable pedestrian high paid occupation. So that colors my perception of PME. They don't call me uncle hindsight for nothing....🤣 /sarc

It's funny how we get discouraged when people arm chair general military matters but so many of us are willing to do the same with a health issue. In other news, I realised service secretaries have the power to extend bonus pay (I think up to $1000/mo) to individuals who are deployed more than 180 days a year as a result of unforseen circumstances. It would sure be nice if someone forwarded that up the staff to compensate all those Bros and broettes taking one for the team right now.

I’m hopeful we’re starting to enter purple territory on this chart, as evidenced primarily by the increasing number of takes complaining about how we overreacted.

The Theodore Roosevelt might be a good "Case" study on this subject. Here's the latest stats; "Of the 585 cases on Roosevelt, about 400 were found to be asymptomatic." “What we’ve learned, certainly in the Navy, is that with regard to COVID-19, we’re learning that stealth in the form of asymptomatic transmission is this adversary’s secret power,” Rear Adm. Bruce Gillingham, the surgeon general of the Navy" - stated. https://news.usni.org/2020/04/14/950-sailors-now-have-covid-19-2nd-uss-theodore-roosevelt-sailor-in-intensive-care#more-75435

That suckssss. If it's any consolation I'm "essential personnel" enroute to more training so I'm still cleared to PCS. All I have to do is figure out how to make that happen when no one answers their phones because every base agency is working from home.

Speaking for my situation, not yet. My state has also not yet made unemployment insurance available to self employed, like the Act says they will. My guess is that the state is hoping that if they delay enough the crisis will pass before they have to pay out any benefits. But that’s probably overly cynical of me.

As a member of the Teamsters Union before my life in the USAF; this type of attitude is what “Union” organizations routinely sound like. Especially with old heads who’ve seen management screw the workers. Enjoy the bitching, and don’t side with Bobs..

10. 1 died from being chopped up and fed to his wife’s tigers

Well man, to be fair, at this point in time, you are going to look like an idiot being the person not wearing one. Honestly, I could hardly care. Masks were widespread in Asia while stationed there and I got used to wearing one daily in Korea due to the air polution. The Bird Flu/SARS/H1N1 outbreaks, all out of Asia forced a cultural change to normalize the wear of sanitary mask on a day to day basis and there is empirical evidence that it has drastically slowed the spread of COVID in those countries. I would predict a similar cultural change will come out of this and to be honest I'm happy about that because I'm tired of sick ass people coming to work and breathing all over the mission planning computers and what not.

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/490979-sailors-cheer-navy-captain-who-was-removed-after-pleading-for-help-with When's the last time a unit started spontaneously cheering for a fired commander?