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You went from making a reasonable point to saying religious people should all get together and give themselves coronovirus because they’re stupid. Not sure why or how you made this leap, but maybe you could try to bury your religious bigotry while you’re making your point.

Given that Harvard helped facilitate grant money for viral research in Wuhan, please forgive me if I’m unconvinced at their authority and judgement on this subject. Were these the experts who said wearing a mask was useless, or the ones who recommended criminal penalties for not wearing one? Out of curiosity, am I more likely to catch the rona at a mosque or standing in line to buy rum tonight? Because one is allowed but the other isn’t, and the logical inconsistency is confusing. And just to go full Godwins Law... Expert medical advice in 1939 was that Jews should be herded into ghettos for “public health.” But let’s all laugh at history and play funny videos of retreaded internet preachers, we’ve evolved past government abuses nowadays!

No, on everything you said. Government can tell us what to do after it is passed into LAW, that is if that law isn’t shut down by the courts for violating the constitution. That is how our republic works. Checks and balances. If that fails, then people have the right to protest. Governors like that tyrant in Michigan can not arbitrarily step outside constitutional authority in the name of safety. The precedent that sets is 10x worse than the effects of this virus. We are the greatest country on earth, not because we are the safest or the healthiest, but because of the freedoms and rights that we have; that many of us swore an oath to defend. I’ll take that any day!

Apparently there’s some truth..? I’m a “well north of 2xAPZ” iron Maj that was surprised to see a “Definitely Promote!” At the end of line 2 and the DP box marked. From a 2-star SR to boot. Come onnnnnnnn 90+%! Ha

That is a weak deflection. The topic is government overreach and the violation of constitutional protections based on "emergency needs," not the wisdom or foolishness of being religious. We can see your opinion on the latter by your condescending posts, but you are using your opinion against religious groups to mask the issue of the government violating numerous civil rights in an inconsistent and (sometimes) non-medically relevant manner (banning socially-distanced activities or "gatherings" of people who already live together, etc).

because that wasn't the deal that was sold for american constitutional rights to get violated

If banning church services (even ones following health guidance) even makes it to a judge, we have a F'd up situation. The fact that numerous civil servants thought it was a good idea AND did not reconsider when first called out demonstrates that these concerns are not simply academic hyperbole.

Did a quick search with no success. I figured I’d start a new one rather than add to the silly political COVID-19 thread that already exists. Anyone else affected by this? Had a 1 June PDD to DC. This could be the place everyone puts what they know about the stop movement going forward. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Indeed. Primary tabs Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. https://lawandcrime.com/covid-19-pandemic/new-jersey-woman-kim-pagan-charged-for-organizing-protest-against-covid-19-stay-at-home-orders/ Even a state school grad can see this one doesn't pass the test...

Damn, hot chick didn't age well! Pissed off girlfriend isn't looking too shabby, though!

Speaking of getting buried...take this!

For all the smoke and mirrors and “changes” to the system, this is really what it always boils down to. If you’re able to get that DP as an APZ major, looking at past statistics, you’ll be extremely competitive. May the odds be ever in your favor!

I'm a TR who can't travel to my unit because I'm out of the local area. It'd be nice to have that option but until then I'll just continue to sit on my ass, drink beer, and grow a beard.

I could eat... 50 eggs.

Wow you really pissed off the "imaginary guy in the sky" crowd! Have my upvote. It's true though...you can't claim to be a shepherd for you folks if you are herding them towards danger. Don't worry, this dude has us all covered. I ain't skeered. To all the people pearl clutching about government overreach of the constitution...where have you been the last few years? It's like with the quarantine they finally were able to read past the second half of the second amendment. Welcome to the party.

That sure is a nice Constitution and Bill of Rights ya got there. Sure would be a shame if, cough..cough, something were to happen to it. If non-elected or even elected officials can deny some of our inherent rights, do I get to have a say? I'm pretty sure I do and will. If some here want to wave away some of my rights because they don't use/care about particular ones, do I get to wave away the ones I don't think you need? Pretty sure it doesn't work that way.

no it's not "The logic goes something like this: any and all measures we take to prevent community transmission are justifiable because they will prevent infections and therefore prevent deaths among these vulnerable groups. In a medical sense this is irrefutable, but the underlying assumption of this logic is that the onus on the individual to protect themselves should be almost totally removed in favor of controlling the behavior of everyone, no matter how susceptible they may be. Some unsavory individuals [POOTER] prefer to make it personal and equate any resistance to an indefinite period of social isolation as wishing death upon those who are least likely to be able to fight the virus." BINGO! https://spectator.us/coronavirus-lockdowns-cowardice/

You’ll pay it back on your 2021 tax return. There’s no free lunch.

Sorry but the F'd up situation is when we have churches convincing their congregations that it's safe to come in person despite all medical guidance pointing to the contrary. https://www.texastribune.org/2020/04/02/texas-churches-coronavirus-stay-open/ Harvard University epidemiologist Bill Hanage ticked off examples of virus transmission in houses of worship in London, South Korea, Singapore and the state of Georgia and said exempting religious services from shelter-in-place orders is “an incredibly bad idea.” Also it has never been easier to live stream a worship service to the internet for all to see. This isn't the old days where you have to be a megachurch with tv or radio broadcast infrastructure. You need a cell phone and a youtube account.

If a potential Harvard conflict of interest or lack of credibility is worrying you, I can find other sources on whether gathering in large groups indoors during a pandemic is a good idea. Want to take a guess at what they say? The mosque. Or church. Or synagogue. Hands down.. unless people at your local liquor store spontaneously break into song in close proximity to one another, dunk each other into pools of water, and then share the same snack with hundreds of their closest friends. If you want to talk about history, it is absolutely full of the church being at odds with science.. and ending up wrong. We certainly haven't evolved past government abuses, but apparently we've also not evolved past religions' blatant disregard for medical advice.

These horror stories of police arresting people on the beach or dragging people out of church are way overblown. The media is going to over-report anything that will get views and outrage--similar to how they wayyyyy over-report police shootings of minorities. Regardless, I think this 'gubment better not take my rights' argument is really alarmist and simplistic. The government doesn't want to be arresting solo beach goers just as much as said beach goers don't want to be arrested. And how is this any different from a mandatory hurricane evacuation order? The government tells people what they can and can't do all the time, and once the crisis passes, things return to normal. Acting like this is some kind of slippery slope to a 1984 dystopian hellscape is pretty ridiculous. I'd even argue that the current crisis gives police better justification to arrest people not following the rules than a hurricane does. If you disregard a mandatory evacuation at least the only person you're hurting is yourself. In a pandemic, someone's flagrant disregard of public health guidance endangers other people too. Do others have a constitutional right to not be infected by idiots who refuse to follow the rules? Full disclosure: If it wasn't possible for church goers to infect others, I'd be all for them voluntarily gathering in the largest groups possible. Disregarding public health guidance to worship your imaginary man in the sky is a beautiful example of both constitutional rights and natural selection.