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Here you guys go. You now have your very own spot to argue. It’s your spot and yours alone. Have it here so the rest of us can enjoy what baseops is supposed to be about. Lloyd

Bye, Felicia.

I'll buy. Mainly because I'd love to hang out with most of you guys and talk about anything but this damned election. Sent from my SM-N975U using Baseops Network mobile app

Looking at those charges, I believe the general said, "I’ve gotta use some tic tacs, just in case I start kissing her. You know I’m automatically attracted to beautiful—I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star they let you do it. You can do anything....Grab them by the pussy,...You can do anything” No one cares update - daughter has covid, wife testing tomorrow, we'll see on me. Guess there's nothing anyone could have done to stop the spread across our nation. At. All.

Update on this: DHS Cyber Security Agency released a statement: “There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised.”

What bitch ass, safe space shit is this. 😆

Actually it is a 6 hour class and 5 hours of it can be covered by CBT, sim time, or a combination. Source: I went to AIS once. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/12/politics/donald-trump-fox-news-criticism/index.html https://www.forbes.com/sites/joewalsh/2020/11/12/trump-is-now-trashing-fox-news-heres-what-may-be-his-ulterior-motive/?sh=1e85ab1a6421 https://www.axios.com/trump-fox-news-digital-media-competitor-25afddee-144d-4820-8ed4-9eb0ffa42420.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8942185/Donald-Trump-planning-streaming-network-peel-Fox-viewers.html Look at that MSM conspiracy trying to make Trump look bad using his own words and stuff. How dare they! Trump is always above board. Most presidents do this, right? I hope that's not too communist of a sentiment for you...

Drinking on a weeknight 17D? I’ll join you. Here’s to no covid test results but should they come back positive here’s to a quick recovery. Cheers.

My even-keeled response was what sent you over the edge? Ok. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

I hear you but still...Where was the DO? Perhaps another needless soapbox rant but honestly I have thought about this incident 100 times over the past few days and how many different people failed this young man. Yes we can blame the institution...the writing has been on the wall for some time and others have alluded to it in this thread but in a haste to plug the holes in the damn the system made a conscious decision to push as many people as possible through the system. At a very senior level he was failed when the decision was made to start pushing basic skills training from the RTU to the ops unit. When I read the Viper bros were pushing defensive BFM to the unit I thought it was a joke...how can this be? As much as people celebrated Fingers (I did not for personal reasons), he let it happen. He and Mobile bought that risk and risk is never pushed right at a 1:1 ratio, it has a modifier when it comes to basic skills. Should he have been able to land at night without incident...of course but I think everyone who has read the report and knows his flying history can feel the weight of crap that was on his shoulders that night. Senior USAF leadership failed this kid in an epic fashion. The problem is systemic...and the disconnect at senior levels is STAGGERING from my point of view. Probably reason #69 why I didn't make GO but I remember being in the room when a training and conversion plan was being briefed to the MAJCOM commander. The A3 and A1 folks were tag-teaming a brief on how they were going to convert AC-130W and AC-130U crew members into the AC-130J. The training folks were doing their best and their plan had every AC-130 pilot in the command by name and how they would flow through the system....come off the battlefield and start conversion training, PCS to new base, then immediately deploy in new airplane. I knew it was a house of cards and I couldn't hold my tongue, I blurted out "what retention rate did you use in your plan." Well sir we used the historic rate of 64%. "What was the Gunship retention rate last year?" (I already knew the answer) Well uh sirrrr....it was 34%...but we have mitigation strategies form the USAF that we think will help retention. I looked directly at the A1 and asked him if he knew about the 14 gunship pilots who were up for the bonus this year and what had just happened? He just stared at me...so I turned to the MAJCOM Commander and said sir there are currently 14 AC-130U pilots up for the bonus, only one has taken it. The MAJCOM commander was very celebrated in our community, honestly until his reply I worshiped the guy and would have done anything for him...that all ended when he opened his mouth and said in front of everyone....and I quote "They will stay because they are patriots, and if they don't I WILL JUST MAKE MORE." I knew at that moment...every bullshit comment he made about people and families was a lie...and that was it, his mitigation strategy was to let decades of combat experience just walk out there door and he would fix it by making more. I didn't even invite this dude to my retirement. I can point fingers at all the senior folks but for me I want to know...where the fuck was the DO. He/She was supposed to be the last line of common sense in the storm. I had a lot of interesting jobs in my career and made it to a fairly senior level as a Wing/CC down range in combat. Of all those jobs the toughest far and away was being a DO. Yes commanders work hard to take care of people but DOs are supposed to protect people and the mission. As a DO in the WIC it was a struggle...you think going through WIC is hard...trying being an IP there for 6 years. Sprinting a marathon becomes the norm. In fact, as a DO and CC I would remind each new graduate that they had to regulate expectations when they got back to the unit...as much as they wanted to change the world they would have to do so with some finesse or risk alienating the rank and file. You would think being a DO of a WIC squadron would be easy....all graduates, all top tier, all type A...but that presented a different problem in that they would run until they fell over dead. In order to protect them I often had to make tough calls to protect them from the system and from themselves. I didn't always get it right, but damn I tried. I remember one hellish period when we were flying multiple stages of the syllabus do to support asset availability. We typically ran a CAS phase then an Interdiction phase but for two weeks we were running both phases simultaneously. As most know WIC debreifs are purposely painful and on Thursday of the second week it was 0330 and we were doing data collect on the 6th sortie in 10 days. My ADO was leading the sortie and he said "Ok, we will see the WUGs back at 0700 for the formal brief." I looked around the room and all I saw was serious fatigue in both the WUGs but more importantly my instructors. I jumped up and said STOP! "WUGs and Instructors come back at noon for the formal debrief, everyone GO HOME." The ADO was pissed and he followed me back to my office...we had a very heated conversation in my office and he certainly spoke his mind as I always encouraged them to do. I listened then said, "messaged received, go home, I will see you at noon." For two weeks most of the WUGs had been grabbing a few hours of sleep in the squadron, not wanting to waste the time it took to drive home and then back in the morning. That week I noticed about half of my instructors had done the same thing and I knew I had to step in and protect them...from themselves. I might not have been the best DO but that is how I saw my job...PROTECT my people while accomplishing the mission. Where was his DO and how in the world the DO let this kid step that night is beyond me...simply beyond me.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-cries-election-fraud-in-court-his-lawyers-dont-11605271267 Interesting read in the WSJ if you have access. BLUF: Not much to the claims when lawyers aren't willing to risk their licenses on unsubstantiated claims. Also, judges won't admit the garbage they try to include. I guess this must mean, only leftist, Democrat judges are hearing all of these cases. You have to admire the incredible planning that the Democrats put into stealing this election. Getting everyone on board with them to include Republicans (must be RINOs) to publicly say there is no fraud, actual government officials in charge of elections to say this was the safest election we've had with no evidence of tampering or fraud, and then all judges (with the exception of one in PA because the AG for sure overstepped her authority) to get on board with the conspiracy as well. Reminder, no results have been made official, and that's not what I'm saying here. Just pointing out that Trump cares about Trump. He couldn't care less about the damage he does to our system of government. The doubt he has sewn and that people have bought, hook, line and sinker is astounding. Our founding fathers are rolling in their graves over what this guy has done to the office... Don't worry, Trump-vision, or whatever he names it, will give all of you something to drool over for the next four years until he runs again. Hopefully, a real politician that cares about what happens to this country surfaces between then and now

I think it has been mentioned here before, but The Expanse is excellent SciFi.

This is the challenge. Network protocols and the underlying standards and infrastructure isn't sexy or really all that tangible to most, making it hard to justify/defend funding for it. It also doesn't really fit how we budget for programs, as it's something that goes across multiple platforms. Each vendor/contractor/program office pushed their own solution, and you end up with: https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/standards.png Which is why F-22s can't talk to F-35s can't talk to Gen 4 aircraft.

Republicans will hate the electoral college well enough when Texas goes blue in a few elections.

Missed this last night. Good luck and let us know on the rest of the family!

Russians predicted it. This is the left to a T

Thank you Jesus.

I truly hope you’re right and that my assumptions are wrong here. I have my doubts though. If Trump goes gracefully and isn’t bitching about the deep state in six months, beer’s on me.

You may be underestimating how low this whole thing is likely to go. Let’s assume that Trump expends all of his legal options and the results overwhelmingly fail to support his claims of fraud (This seems likely based on legal results thus far...you may disagree, but bear with me). What happens then? Do you think Trump is going to tell his supporters “well guys, the American legal system has had its say and we must have faith in that system.”? Hell no he’s not. He’ll leave the White House kicking and screaming and spend the next four years convincing a large percentage of Americans that every aspect of our government, including the legal system is beholden to the liberal deep state and they will come to the conclusion that the only answer is to burn the whole thing down. Do you think that’s a good path for our country? Because that is absolutely the path we’re on as long as this guy continues to be enabled by the party he co-opted.

He makes some good points. I find it odd how all the fault lies on one side of this equation. The fact that the sitting president has been encouraging people to believe the system will be cheated for months, sorry, years, is completely ignored. Had he give that fact some air time as well, he’d be much more credible. He’s not wrong though, Joe Biden is nothing as of right now. He’s not legally elected to anything. He should still be preparing for that potential eventuality. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Regardless of the outcome going through this process is good. The justice dept and system looking into this is good. It will absolutely help strengthen the voting system for the future and it gives credibility to the process of investigations. This, regardless of who wins, is a very good thing. Side note, see that PA court system ruled for trump and against the PA Secretary of State for overstepping her bounds?

By “bullied by a federal agent” you mean being reminded that making a false official statement and lying to a federal law enforcement officers are federal crimes? Sure. Do you know that happened for a fact? Of course not, you operate on hearsay. To be considered a criminal one would’ve had to have been charged, convicted by a jury or judge, or plead guilty/Alford plea. Has Biden done any of that? Of course not. To say someone is guilty before being afforded Due Process goes against the Constitution and the judicial process of this nation. But it fits your narrative right? Is Hunter Biden’s laptop the new Hillary’s emails narrative?

Can’t wait for autonomous F1...

Can you please stop trying to make some moral comparison or argument that Biden will be a criminal? There is legitimately no evidence of that. Guardian, it’s hard to listen to you guys, when you basically get fully on board with conspiracy theories with almost no substance, just because they align with your politics. “But they have 500 affidavits!!” (You actually mistakenly said 11,000 here, but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt). Have you read any of them? Almost none of them have any impact, and the vast majority are in the “I got a reminder to register to vote after I registered to vote.” A few allege that someone saw multiple signatures were the same. The biggest one was officially - in the justice system - recanted by a postal worker. In total, there is literally no way that they could affect the vote. It was a blowout. 3% margin. Unfortunate, but true. And with these fake votes, the GOP maintained control of the senate. Pretty bad fake voting, if you ask me. You guys are the same folks that said 5 months ago that the response to COVID was a liberal fraud. A global. Liberal. Fraud. Your ability to disregard aggregate scientific or sociological evidence and put your trust in one or two conflicting opinions is part of why we can’t get on the same page. I recently read a study about conservatives being more likely to overvalue experiential or personal stories, and I literally thought of you. I have spent entirely too much time on this forum. https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/conservatives-value-personal-stories-more-than-liberals-do-when-evaluating-scientific-evidence-149132 When it comes down to it, Biden is a super boring politician that has a kid who does drugs. And he’s open about it. It makes the “Hillary-esque” character attacks you guys want to make all the more absurd when you try.

Amen and amen. I’ve had the opportunity to be a DO in garrison and deployed. Day to day ops was do it smart and right. Every once in a while there was something that required pushing the envelope...but those days were the days to double-down on top cover to make sure the right people were on the missions and the risk was mitigated or accepted with full knowledge at the AC-level. CCs are supposed to manage careers and DOs are supposed to lead the mission and protect the people from themselves and the leadership above.

Everything you're saying is spot on - he was let down by everybody. There was a very similar incident at Spang a decade ago. They did the right things, determined it wasn't safe to attempt a landing, and did a controlled ejection. I only take issue with the statement above - the Viper RTU has assumed such an insane amount of tasks from the CAF that they can't possibly teach it to a safe level. Then AETC came down a year ago and told them to do it all in 180 days. The amount of tasks the Viper RTU teaches now compared to ten years ago is staggering. I've heard that airmanship ultimately suffers. The pilot in this mishap graduated without refueling due to tanker availability. It was alibi'd, documented, and sent to the CAF. Not a common business practice but when you open the production firehose this wide, quality suffers. Fast, Quality, Cheap - pick two. HHQ has mandated "fast". The RTU is operating with "cheap" in terms of maintenance, sims, and IP manning. Can't have all three, and we're proving that regularly.

Exactly, and that's the part that bothers me the most about this whole thing. Ever since the OG/MX split, friction with MX has become SOP, and it's completely out of hand. The antagonism and adversarial relationships on a day to day TOP3-MOC interactions are beyond the pale. So are these deferral and tail-shuffling games. I don't know the dynamic on the Viper side, but my experience has been similar in all 3 duty stations I've been involved in. Yeah yeah, we're all innocent in Shawshank. Spare me. 3x deferring the control module for a hot seat is so unconscionable it's criminal in my moral code, in light of a fatality. Unreal. I don't even know why I go through the kabuki of reading the forms these days, everything is TCTO deferred. It's f*ckin- meaningless at this point.

This failure is above the DO, SQ/CC or even the WG/CC. Way above!

Ruh roh. Not a flattering look for the ACES seat. No way even the most experienced driver is going to have the presence of mind and the in-the-blind dexterity to pull the manual override in a ground level ejection attempt, at night no less. Manual seat sep from a ground pull is just not a realistic expectation under any circumstances. Surprised this hasn't got more public scrutiny in the community. The TUL ANG ejection cited even allocuted to the fact that dude had the benefit of daylight and a looong freefall to gather his thoughts and remind himself of the manual seat-sep option. This kid (he was a student of mine at DLF) didn't get that chance. The most contentious and soul-searching weeks of my AF career by far, were the weeks immediately following the 38 crash in our AD associate squadron, due to the NAF level leadership's unwillingness to speak immediately as to the SIB-relevant facts pertaining to the condition of the seats following the fatality. That soured a lot of people, and created a climate of open dissent, and led to a couple of firings. Ugly stuff all around, even for DLF (which was just coming out of Mollygate and the T-6 MX firings, and is a football bat of a place on a good day). Then there was that big boo boo in Midland with the Bone, and the eventual inspection revealing NONE of the seats would have fired. I could go on. These are fundamentally confidence-eroding trends, and big blue better get their @ss around it or it's gonna lead to chaos. The pointy jet/non-deadstickable business doesn't have the off roading option like I used to joke about during my T-6 IP days. On this side of the street you need confidence in your seat or things get insubordinate real quick. As to the decision not to controlled eject, I'm not gonna second guess the element lead and SOF. That's a tough one though. Even by the AIB's own stipulation, the kid would have still faced the hardship of having to have the presence of mind to manually seat-sep a faulty seat during a controlled bailout attempt... At night, not knowing he had a bad seat. Eff those odds. I don't know the Viper's landable gear combos, but in the 38 one main up one main down is a no-go. Difficult to ascertain the weight bearing capacity of a damaged MLG on this accident, especially given the indications of brace damage as described by the chase ship. The kid did the best he could given the information presented at the time. That seat betrayed him period dot. That pull was textbook in the envelope, should have led to a canopy. I'm at a loss.

I was a Marine maintainer, and I will have you know, that we also have adjustable wrenches and a flat head screwdriver (but only a big one). The selection of hammers was pretty incredible though.

In all fairness, the ATC dude is simply doing as he's trained. Military guys IFE almost at a routine rate (notice not a single word about the F-35 ejection...who's got his back besides JPRC?)...often for items that turn out to be nothing...but and it would be completely negligent for him to simply say "good luck!" A phone number pass to maintain a chain of communication may be the best he's got in that moment. As Clayton has mentioned above, he's trying his best to do what he can with what he's got. In the same right, a controller should be aware that a four engine airplane losing two engines, leaking fuel, and being on fire is not something to take lightly. I'm sincerely hoping he alerted emergency services of some kind on his own end. Still, it couldn't hurt for him and the crew to meet face-to-face and get some learning on both sides of the radio.

This could go in the other thread but the AF did give me, average joe, non shiny penny, IDE via correspondence only a shot at running a squadron a few months back. So far so good. And for the record you have no idea until you take that guidon what it truly is like.

Some units compare packets based on the 201+ score. Most consider the 201+ so they can get an idea of potential. Definitely finish your PPL. Also, definitely retake the TBAS. Comparing your PCSM to your AFOQT scores, it looks like you didn't do great on the TBAS. Also, rush units. Even before you retake the TBAS or finish your PPL. That'll be a huge difference when applying for units. Sent from my SM-N975U using Baseops Network mobile app

Semantics why? Why does it not matter specifically in this instance?

The postal worker wasn’t recanted. He was bullied by a federal agent and then someone said he reacted which he immediately came out and said he didn’t recant. How does pay for play not equate to being a criminal. In Joe Biden’s own words he did that. And then dems later complained for what they claimed was the same thing done by trump (which proved to be a farce). If someone commits a crime the are guilty of doing that. No amount of jail time doesn’t make them not a criminal. Hunter Biden’s laptop has plenty of info on it showing evidence crimes were committed or strengthening other instances of crimes by those in the Biden family. It doesn’t make it not true just because you refuse to believe it In the words of Joe Biden, “come on man!”

But what’s the point? Why as an interviewer are you pressuring him to recant (oh by the way the interviewer was a staunch democrat supporter, check his Twitter) and then tell people the guy recanted when he didn’t?

Facts are facts. Hilliard broke the law. She wasn’t charged. hunter biden broke the law. And it’s not contested he took money from foreign sources for access to his dad. So what’s the problem for you?

You haven't given any evidence as to why 72 million Americans and myself shouldn't believe that the system is broken. Riots with no punishment. Mass mail in ballots (ie. switching the rules at the last minute) Kung flu lockdowns without supporting evidence Critical race theory Orange man bad You think this shit 24/7 for 4 straight years was a good thing for our country? This is how one half feels. You can't completely ignore that and only go off of "orange man bad and evil".

Why does everyone here keep saying "burden of proof is on us"? We know it is. We keep giving you evidence. Sworn affidavits. Thousands of them. Votes in MI being switched, and there is only evidence of that happening to benefit Biden. This election is fishy and millions agree with me.

I'm done responding to most of you. Brain washed, a product of communist propaganda. "Even if I take him to the Soviet Union and show him the concentration camp with his own eyes, he will refuse to believe it."

And there lies one of the biggest issues. You think CNN, MSNBC, CNBC are all trustworthy. They aren't. Neither is Fox. What's your evidence to dismiss OAN or Newsmax? They are right wing? Again there is evidence out there. You are choosing to discredit it. Legit video from Project Veritas? "Project Veritas lies" despite the fact that the owner have that has won every lawsuit he has filed.