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You've made 8000 posts in this thread. At one point last week you were averaging one post every 18 seconds. Your position is well established. Everybody including yourself knows why you chose to present this specific story in a long line of similarly themed things you've pointed towards over the last few weeks. Feigning offense at the fact that I 'assumed' something because it wasn't explicitly contained within a paticular post won't get you anywhere with me. It's time to face reality. They said it couldn't be done, but George Soros and the New World Order organized the most complex conspiracy in the history of the world, infiltrated Dominion, and unleashed cutting edge CIA technology called Hammer and Scorecoard to surrupticiously steal the election without leaving a trace. An entity capable of pulling that off isn't going to have left enough untied loose ends (like 2600 uncounted ballots in 30+ counties) lying around to make a difference. It's over. They won this battle. Gotta reconstitute for the next one so you can win the war.

You suck at details dude. Almost like it's willfull ignorance...weird. It wasn't 2600 ballots with Trump votes, it was 2600 ballots. The third sentence in your own source says it's presumed to result in approximately +800 differential in favor of Trump. So you'd actually need 17 more counties with similar issues to make a difference, not 4. Except that Floyd County is among the largest counties in Georgia that leans heavily Republican. So in reality, you'd probably need similar issues in ~30 Republican counties to make a difference. This is all assuming that your audit finds 30 discrepancies that result in +Trump differential, and none that result in +Biden differential. 0% chance of that happening. What exactly is your issue? Georgia self-initiated a hand recount/audit to make sure they got things right. They found a discrepancy and they corrected it. What more could you ask for? When was the last time you sorted 5 million items into 2 categories and didn't make a single error? Not to mention that the audit is part of the counting process, so to call it an 'error' isn't correct. It's only an error if it's found after the vote count is certified. Not to mention even if Georgia flipped, which it won't, it changes nothing. Move on with your life.

Flying at HRT the Navy pogues from Pcola and Whiting would always trash our pattern, sometimes four or five at a time. After the three times being told to extend my base while doing two engine training in order to accommodate a T-34, I cleaned up my Gunship and departed VFR to the west. A few minutes later I checked in with PCola and reported initial Runway 25...it was a fucking bomb burst of white jets trying to get out of the way. After a low approach I requested closed and the tower was fuming (do they have a SOF?) I then requested to go tower to tower at Whiting. They initially cleared me but the tower controller must have called Whiting and told them what I did so they told me they were "saturated and could not accommodate practice patterns." I got called up to the OG/CC's office the next morning and he asked what happened...apparently the Navy wasn't too happy. I told him it was a continuing theme with them dorking up our pattern and how they ruined three consecutive two engine approaches (two engine work was challenging and you had to be low on fuel to get to the training allowed weight so you didn't get a lot of second chances). He laughed and told me to have a great day. I didn't see another T-34 in our pattern for two months.

It’s not that simple. Reasons (not exhaustive) - We are far more globally connected than many countries, leading to far more exposure (e.g. No shit Afghanistan’s rates are lower) - Were the 3rd largest country in the world (a 1/4 the size of China)...but China only has 86k cases...yeah OK. They alone have likely massively skewed the global data, which is a nice segue for... - It is an invalid assumption that all countries are transparent and truthful of their cases, deaths, hospitalization rates. You think China, Russia, Iran, etc. are all open kimono on their numbers? - We test more than any other country, so obviously our numbers will have the appearance of being drastically higher compared to all the countries that test at a much lower rate than us. What would our share be if every country had conducted tests equaling 50% of their population? This is all not to say we’ve perfectly crushed it, but to say that specific talking point is very misleading when used to generalize America’s response vs. outcome regarding COVID.

We do not fly night overheads in the MQ-9, so I’m not quite sure what you’re referencing /sarcasm 😆

Pointy nose Fighter/Attack quit long ago. Real Attack still does them to this day.

I'm almost certain military members will have to get the vaccine. Forcing military members to take vaccines was upheld in court in the late 90s when several officers protested concerns about the anthrax vaccine that was still new. A big difference is the anthrax vaccine underwent long term testing so the extended side effects were known. In the case of COVID, it seems like scientist are taking a risk because they believe long term side effects are generally more rare than short term ones. That said, as a country, we have screwed up with rushing vaccines to market before, specifically Gerald Ford in the late 70s who killed several people with a swine flu (H3N2) vaccine that wasn't adequately tested. I live in Europe at the moment and generally they are more compliant with public health rules, meaning, if an authority makes a reccomendation they are likely to follow it. They have also accepted lock downs easier because their governments provide huge social benefits systems to people who are unemployed. That said they are starting to get massive protest to additional lockdowns as well. People are plainly getting tired. As an American here it's pretty miserable. Still go to work, but nothing to do in your off time. Base closed to social activities and social gatherings; it feels rather isolating. Families are having a hard time. Many want to go visit home for the holidays but are being advised not to because their spouse will be quarantined when the family returns. (Current rules require all members of a household to quarantine even if the member didn't travel). The lack of concern for people (and their mental health) in this whole debacle has pushed me 100% ready to get out. I have 1.5 years left and it couldn't come faster.

Those are fair points. It still surprised me, however, how absolutely anti-masker some of my friends are. Like End-of-the-Republic serious about it. Yeah, I’m sure China and Russia are not fully reporting their cases, but that is not relevant to the failed leadership the USA has demonstrated on the issue in our own country.

Most responses are way out of line, illogical, and many probably illegal. This is 90% emotional/political and 10% about actual public health. Social distancing, mask when you meet the definition of close contact, and improved hygiene (or really what you should have always been doing) is acceptable at this current point. Everything else, especially with the data on hand, is utter bullshit. That’s my somewhat succinct viewpoint.

Nah. Already wrote and deleted it. No point.

To be fair, I don't think we know what the "long term" effects of this are since it's been around < 1 year. What we "know" is speculation.

And not only did they orchestrate such a complex conspiracy...they covered it up by losing seats in the House and failing to capture a majority in the Senate. Really masterful...someone with less experience would have used that voter fraud to tip the legislature in their direction as well, but Soros is a real mastermind... Blanket /s for anyone who even remotely believes this tinfoil hat nonsense. Trump lost...pack it in, try again in 2024. I'm no fan of Biden, but this shit is just getting embarassing.

So if you can be reinfected, and getting the disease doesn't create antibodies... How would a vaccine work?

Doesn't make me feel anything. He likely wanted to know what the US military options/plans against a belligerent Iran were before he announces complete withdrawal from Afghanistan and Iraq, given the strategic nature of those two border states in context to Iran. That would be something important to know before you permanently take that option away from your generals forever.

The long-term effects of this thing are quite nasty in many cases. I wouldn’t want to risk my flying career over something stupid like not wearing a mask and maintaining distance. I also wouldn’t want to risk it over purposely getting infected when there is very little data to support effective herd immunity from this virus. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app

On this topic, what’s everyone’s opinion on the vaccine? I’d 100% not take this vaccine and just get exposed if that were an option. I have no issues with vaccines, but rushing something out with those earlier referenced fatality numbers seems like a cut off the nose to spite the face thing.

Thread bump. Now that its been around for a few months and we know a lot more about it, I'm curious to hear what people think about the state of the pandemic and the response to it. In particular, I'd like to hear from people who think the opposite that I do. I've done a fair bit of reading, and it seems to me that the response in most places seems out of proportion to the actual threat that the virus provides. Currently, the CDC best estimate for the infection fatality rate (not to be confused with case fatality rate, which is not corrected for asymptomatic people) breaks down like this: 0-19 years: 0.003%; 20-49 years: 0.02%; 50-69 years: 0.5%; 70+ years: 5.4%. The risk for most seems quite low, and of course since asymptomatic people are least likely to go to the doctor these numbers are likely higher than actual. Given this data, is forcing business closures and lockdowns that we see in many places really the best course of action? Lockdowns and business closures are certainly having a bad effect on everyone, but the virus affects a known demographic. Also, when does it end? Getting zero cases is a mathematical impossibility given the accuracy of commonly used tests, and the economy is unlikely to be able to await a vaccine. So why does the herd immunity idea seem to be looked at so poorly? It seems to me having the groups with the >99% survival rate get herd immunity to protect the rest is the only way out, and locking down every time cases spike just seems to be delaying the inevitable. Especially since the graphs for new cases and the graphs for new deaths do not appear to be following each other anymore, indicating the healthier people are getting it and living through it and we are better at treating it. What other people's thoughts on the matter?

get them a general star so they can pin it inside their flight cap and aspire for greatness *sarcasm*

Did you guys know chemicals in the water are turning the frogs gay? An inter-dimensional alien told me.

You would not get OTS/UPT dates before your flight physical. In fact, I didn't even think you could get your NGB package approved without a signed FC1. And I know you can be sent for your FC1 before you even swear in with your unit. So I'd check with your POC at the squadron, because it sounds like your recruiters might be a little confused. Sent from my SM-N975U using Baseops Network mobile app

So reading that article.... whoever leaked that needs fired and needs to go to prison. Like, yes, I understand, its concerning for the public. However, you effectively leaked plans of a US military option on an adversary state to that state. The POTUS (this one or next) no longer has that military option now, as Iran will likely enact countermeasures. This was terribly fucking irresponsible. So now, when Biden walks back to the negotiation table to reenter the agreement, he is forced to start at a weaker negotiation position than previous because the amount of options we had under our BATNA is effectively reduced. This is fricken ridiculous. You cannot just leak shit because you don't like the policy. This irreversibly damages our national instruments of power.

So to be honest I don't support the CVID strategy. However, one major concern with anything short of CVID is NPT strength. Once you start allowing states like Iran and North Korea to possess nuclear weapons the NPT is effectively meaningless and compliance is no longer required by anyone. That is a risky road to step down and we already started it with Pakistan/India. Tolerating North Korea and Iran, which are likely the next two steps, will likely mean a collapse of the NPT and the rapid acquisition of nuclear arms by several other states we would prefer to not have them. The US is not alone in this endeavor. Russia, France, Great Britain and China all have interest in preventing anymore nuclear powers. There is a very legitimate and real fear that once some of these smaller states with high corruption, low security, begin obtaining nuclear arms, the probably of a nuclear incident increases dramatically. Edit: This is a good video where former secretary Perry describes the nature of nuclear strategy in the four hot spots of the world. Russia, China, North Korea and Iran.

Repeal the AUMF. Sitting on the Senate's stack of bills awaiting the turtle guy.

It is interesting how normalized it seems for a president to hypothetically impose unilateral military action. Wasn’t this sort of thing designed to go through Congress? I blame Bush and Obama.

That's because the MQ-9 fleet is not big enough to support that accident rate.

I get your point, but it is relevant when people throw out stats like this as supporting points for their argument that our response was subpar. Totally in agreement we’ve had, and continue to see, horrific leadership failures. A large portion of them being at the state level (governors).

Cool, this has already got me thinking and looking up different things. @Homestar - Infection rates is a known number, it looks like it's expressed as the basic reproduction number, R0. CDC has the current best estimate as 2.5. The wikipedia article has it as 2-6, but the sources are from papers in July, whereas the CDC's page was updated in September. For reference the common cold has an R0 of about 2-3 from the wikipedia page, and seasonal strains of influenza are listed as 0.9-2.1. As far as morbidity, the Swedish doctor I linked to before seems to have concluded that it's about on par with the flu. It seems to me that the tremendous effect on the country comes largely from our response to it. This is an area where I should do more research: the main group at risk of dying from COVID is also at risk from rhinoviruses such as the common cold. In a normal cold and flu season, how is this handled to keep elderly patients safe? And while I lack a linked source right now, from talking to people that I know that work in hospitals it is standard ops for the ICU to be around 80-90% capacity because anything else would not be profitable. Now obviously this gets difficult if you need to keep a separate "COVID ICU," but then again that is our response to the virus. @N730 On the topic of reinfection, I have not seen too many things about that, and the CDC at least seems to think it's rare. I'd like to see more data on this (if you have some that'd be awesome), especially numbers. One of the things that I've noticed surrounding this whole thing is we are given a lot of large numbers with very little context. The town I'm in posts new cases daily and deaths daily on facebook. What if the same were to happen with the flu, or the cold, or even car accidents? Reinfection numbers would shed light on whether it's enough to make herd immunity unlikely. @ThreeHoler on long term effects, again most sources say this is rare (but I haven't really seen numbers), and really the virus hasn't been around too long (someone I know had a bad bout of the flu in January and it took her until March-April to regain her lung capacity), so how much can we really know about this. Further, is it worth keeping a lot of people at home and unemployed? I do want to do more research on where the social distancing thing came from, but if you look into how far a sneeze can travel, I wonder how effective that really is. As far as masks, I'll link that Swedish doctor again (in that article he looks into pre-covid studies about decreasing the spread of raspatory infections), but people seem to regard them as a magical forcefield or something which they do not seem to be.

Hopefully it doesn't turn into something where you are put on a list for not taking a vaccine. It is completely rational to be weary of a brand new vaccine that has not been tested in any kind of long term environment.

If getting exposed made you permanently immune like chicken pox, I might agree. But since it doesn't, I don't think I'd purposely expose myself. I wonder if we will have an option or if this vaccine will be mandatory for everyone in the military. Sent from my SM-N975U using Baseops Network mobile app

Certainly people have died this year who otherwise would not have died because of COVID. I think we can finally put to rest that this is just like the flu since infection rates are so high. Just because the death rate is so low does not mean it’s not having a tremendous effect on the country, especially on our health care system. I agree that much of the lockdown was overkill, but American resistance to pandemic countermeasures is the reason we have 5% of the world’s population but 25% of the world’s COVID cases.

The most important thing is that we all feel safe. Speaking for me and my family, we will definitely feel safer if we go back to mass lockdown if that’s what my overlords decide is necessary for their personal gain.

It's almost like we aren't a true democracy.. by design.

I think it has been mentioned here before, but The Expanse is excellent SciFi.

Guardian. Here’s your logic: 1) 2600 votes were just found in one county 2) GA is split by 14k votes 3) 4 more similarly sized counties could turn GA (5 total) Lets do the math. 2600 x 5 = 13,000 total potential votes You need 14,000, so to determine the percentage that would need to be for Trump: 14,000/13,000 = 1.077 So, I guess by the logic of only reading literally exactly what you said, you would just need 107.7% of all the votes in 5 equally sized counties to be found and to go to Trump. Can we call that accurate?

Got it. You read it and understood it to mean something I didn’t mean or say. Wasn’t pushing a narrative other than math and red flags and seeing what everyone thought about the article. But like I said, whatever man, thanks but no thanks for your benefit of the doubt.

Putting out a lot of smoke, noise, and bombast via Twitter, and then subsequently walking it back is kinda Trump 101. Early on, it did seem like there were a lot of legitimate questions about the election. Indeed, most of those have not stood up to any level of scrutiny. I anticipate Trump and his team will continue to push back until the Electoral College formally casts their ballots on 14 Dec. There is some precedent after all; Bush v Gore wasn't decided until 12 Dec. Assuming there isn't some kind of last minute "Hollywood-style reveal" of damning evidence in the next four weeks, I assume Trump and his team will start executing a more or less orderly exit after the Electoral College casts their vote. I'm sure there will be all kinds of media speculation about Trump refusing to leave, which will all turn out to be false. As much as Trump gets vilified, I sincerely doubt he'll barricade himself inside the Oval Office as some seem to think. I would have liked to see someone in power use this moment to advocate for a more confidence-inspiring federal election process. Would have loved to see Joe Biden stand up the morning of 4 November and state his full support for Trump utilizing all legal means to verify a fair election. Alas, that didn't happen. We have such a vast array of technology and wealth at our disposal, and yet we continue to look like a banana republic when the elections end up being close. Would love to see something change. Instead though, the memories of the 2020 election will start to fade, and we'll do it all over again another 4/8/12 years down the road.

The only way any of your math in the above comment works is if you assumed all 2600 votes were for Trump. The percentage isn't accurate otherwise. So I don't think he was offended, your comment was just misleading. I understand it probably wasn't purposely misleading, but to say he was misquoting you isn't exactly fair. Sent from my SM-N975U using Baseops Network mobile app

Only in the hyperpartisan environment of 2020 would Trump be considered conservative.

A republican controlled county did a bad job of counting their own votes? And it doesn’t come close to affecting anything? Thoughts?

But you did. It doesn't have to be explicit. By saying that the 2600 was 20% of the difference between Biden and Trump and that 4 other counties like this could flip the state, you're saying all those votes were for Trump. Othwise, it takes a lot more than 4 additional counties for the state to flip. So you either believed/wanted people to read it as the 2600 were all for Trump, or you're just REALLY bad at math and critical thinking. Honestly, I'm not sure which it is at this point. It's ok if you initially read it as they found 2600 Trump votes, but don't act offended when someone corrects you. Sent from my SM-N975U using Baseops Network mobile app

Ok man. You win. You tell me what I said without saying it to win your perceived argument. Your truth = whatever you want to say and make the truth.

I'm just trying to explain how your statement read. I even gave you the benefit of the doubt in my first response saying I didn't believe you were trying to be misleading. But I guess I was wrong there. Either way, it doesn't change the fact that it was misleading. If you did understand what the data said, then you knew your 20% and 4 states numbers were way off. Which means you were purposely misrepresenting it to push your narrative, which is much more disappointing for a guy that always pushes "facts and evidence". Sent from my SM-N975U using Baseops Network mobile app

So you're just bad at math, got it. Again, like was just shown in another comment. The only way your math makes sense is if 100% of the votes go to Trump. Come on man, don't read into his logic. If he didn't explicitly type the words, he didn't say it. He's just using math. Any conclusions you come to in order for his math to make a lick of sense is your problem. Sent from my SM-N975U using Baseops Network mobile app

Relax, this is his game. You're just playing into his hands. I did for way too long. Not worth the time, I'm just trying to save yours. He'll continue to post stuff without explicitly saying what he really means, then attack you with all the immaturity he'll later accuse you of. Go back and look at his stuff. From time to time he says something intelligent, then attacks like a kid again. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk