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You aren't being a genuine or honest debate partner. Every person has already said election fraud exists, just that there is absolutely no evidence that it is of any magnitude that would be even close to mattering. See here's an example of a terrible citizen voting twice: https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/election/article246971357.html I recommend we throw him in jail. Or maybe he was just following what a political leader said? Maybe it's his fault? https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-vote/trump-encourages-supporters-to-try-to-vote-twice-sparking-uproar-idUSKBN25U0KK The burden of proof is on you to prove something exists - not the normal system to prove something doesn't exist. That's how things work. You have circumstantial evidence, AT BEST, and you are mad that no one is listening. It's childish and embarrassing. Sorry the judges in every state keep telling you no, your lawsuits don't work. And you still need to address the easy question that you still haven't: How did republicans keep the senate when mass coordinated voter fraud against your party was conducted? The party of cognitive dissonance has spoken! This is actually the dumbest thing I've ever heard. If you think politics haven't changed in 155 years, I've got literally nothing for you. In case you're wondering, David Duke, the current leader of the KKK in 2020, publicly endorsed the person you voted for, multiple times. Here's a few more: Don Black (former grand wizard), Rachel Pendergraff (Knights Party organizer), Matthew Heimbach (leader of the White Nationalist Traditionalist Worker Party). Almost every white supremacist group in America publicly endorsed Trump. I guess by the circular logic in your post, you guys are officially 100% the party of racists. Sorry brother. There's a fact for you that you can try to wrap your mind around. But of course that's not how this works. It's not how anything works. Just because racists support Trump doesn't make all republicans racist. But definitely moreso just because "democrat" used to mean something entirely different 155 years ago doesn't mean it has any impact to the current party. And your decision to determine that black people only vote for dems because they were scared into it is terribly demeaning and oversimplifies a whole group's thought process. But I wouldn't expect any more from you. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally 1 dead, 33 injured https://www.npr.org/2020/05/14/855918852/heavily-armed-protesters-gather-again-at-michigans-capitol-denouncing-home-order https://www.dw.com/en/fbi-stops-plot-to-overthrow-michigan-state-government-and-kidnap-governor/a-55208647 You're right, the right doesn't protest. They just go straight to literal domestic terrorism and capture and overthrow of the government. Because you can totally generalize actions of a few to an entire political party. Same for you, brother. You literally can't even accept things that you write as facts, as was evidenced by the last couple days.

Take everything important back home and dump everything else in the old poo-pond at KAF. What a waste of time, people and money it would be to “stay the course”. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app

Congress wants to stay the course... https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/11/20/nearly-all-lawmakers-at-house-armed-services-committee-hearing-opposed-afghanistan-troop-drawdown/ Just leave, tell them to fly everybody out in 69 C-17s and leave whatever is not classified, a weapon and/or scuttle it as a final F you to the Taliban. 2500 guys in perpetuity to do what? In a landlocked shithole surrounded by unfriendly nations to our causes. There is nothing there for us anymore. #Choirpreach, but just leave POTUS, it's your last thing to do on your watch on the long fight against the Swamp.

I’m very informal, but: If he’s not a pilot and wearing pilot wings, I’d rip them off his suit and tell him to report to the DO and chew his ass. And if I saw a pilot let an aircrew tell them how to fly, I’d get the f-ck off that plane because no pilot worth a sh-t allows that to happen. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app

Super interesting podcast, thanks for mentioning it. When I was working in politics, I saw people catch party fever all the time. You know it when you see it... the whole "My (insert party) does everything right and they do everything wrong" complex. I fell into it a bit during my first political job, but saw through the charade by the end. Probably because I love playing devil's advocate, even among people I agree with. When possible, I'd pull junior folks aside and ask for five things the other side believes that they can respect, even if they disagree. Blank stares always came in response. Some would stammer out a few, and almost none could name five. My favorite was when someone tried to say that I wasn't "loyal" or a "true" member of the party. Like its a fucking religion. If you can't respect your adversary in war/politics/life, then you're overestimating your abilities and underestimating theirs. A great way to die/lose/fail.

This is everything when it comes to the issue at hand.

Hidden Brain podcast episode from Oct 26 is a fascinating listen. Super interesting. Says the bigger problem and divide in the US isn't so much between Rs and Ds, but people who love to talk about politics and those that don't. Point taken, I'm backing out of this world for a while. Gotta stop. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

How about the profound silence of increasing the concealed carry on base? The Navy awarded those that responded and talked about how they ran unarmed toward an armed shooter. Should that not have caused them to think "why did our sailors have to run unarmed towards an armed shooter?" I fly with a 20mm gun that shoots 100 rounds a minute and live bombs going to the range. I'm trusted not to go crazy and go bomb or strafe the base and/or the nearby city, but can't be trusted with a concealed pistol before or after the flight.

I'm going to watch this every time it's posted.

IF you're on a normal browser you can use "private" or "incognito" mode and get some more free views. That's your cyber tip for the day!

I will completely give Trump credit for winding these wars down. Here’s an example where Congress and the defense industrial complex are actually being war-checked by the President. I’d rather the numbers be no more than a marine detachment at the embassy and a few high level defense liasons but I’ll take what I can get.

No they for sure happen outside. For corporate fraud about half of cases go undetected according to a source I found, not sure what the rate would be for election fraud if you have any sources for what that could be. The important thing to note is that it would go in both ways, so even in the extreme case it was only 1% of real election fraud cases get convictions it would not be enough to flip any states. Let's do a best case scenario for trump using a 1% detection/conviction rate and the 1000 number from heritage foundation. NV: 3,000,000/328,000,000=x/1000 x= 9 expected fraud convicted in NV, which is about what they have on the site. Now dividing by .01 we get 900 expected fraudulent votes based on a 1% detection rate. They would need a .02% detection rate for Trump to catch up, and that's assuming all fraudulent votes are against Trump. PN: 2000 fraudulent cases with 1% detection MI: 1600 ... "" GA: 1500 ... "" WI: 980 ... ""

I figure they spent 4 years going Russia,Russia, Russia plus an impeachment , wouldn't it be fair to give them 3 weeks looking for voter fraud. Get used to perpetual war again Gents.

Not sure if intentional or not but you forgot to add the most important second part. He would disagree that a court case alone is evidence of fraud. The heritage foundation, one of the most reputable conservative think thanks, has a running list of successfully prosecuted fraud cases with sources. Running tally is at roughly 1000 across the country. These are examples of fraud everyone here would agree with, that should be prosecuted to the maximum extent possible. They are isolated instances that don't change the outcome, with no evidence of systemic conspiracy to change the results, though of course we should remain open to that possibility. The Trump team is undermining democratic process by claiming a priori that there is systemic fraud and that he won in a landslide. Take it to the courts, win your case, and then say it was a fraudulent election. https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud Does this answer your question @torqued? If you want more specifics I can pick out some random ones out from in there.

So now I would like to quote my good friend guardian who always says that EXACT WORDING is the only thing that matters. The guy who won't try to understand your message, just pick apart nitnoid arguments. You said there were zero riots. Guess your credibility is shot forever.

Bye, I guess.

Torqued it seems that people who don’t want trump just want to censor and say get on with your life and the whole thing wasn’t rigged so stop. Seems like the opposing side says all we want to do is discuss and investigate. There is evidence. Affidavits are evidence. Statements are evidence. And if it comes back in favor of no fraud and Biden won then they will accept it and move on. It’s my personal opinion that History will record Trump as one of the most successful presidents to run the county to a lot of prosperity but even in light of that he was very Divisive, said a lot of egregious and offensive things that made people not look past the words to the actions of the man. What is true tolerance? Having a different view point but accepting that view point isn’t others view points and life continues. It’s pretty obvious over the last 12-20 years that the right is the side of tolerance, freedom, and equality. Remember Democrats founded the KKK. Republicans were founded on equality for all men and to give women equal rights and are true to that end today. Obama planted or cultivated the seeds of racial division that we are still feeling the effects of today. The democrats scare lots of minorities into voting for them with scare tactics, victim hood, and free stuff. That’s scary and not the American dream. Now Biden and his transition team have already said they will implement very radical, immoral social policy and force the country to pay. I think paying for everyone’s college is pure theft and is going to do a lot to hurt this country. Thank goodness the Supreme Court leans right. At least we have that. Guess what true to the last four years, zero republican or right riots. What if on the less than1% chance trump wins? Hell it’s very likely trump lost and that doesn’t stop domestic terrorism from occurring from BLM and Antifa. Scary. Cant say that is the case with the left or liberals, that they are tolerant. There is zero tolerance for any opinions but their own. And in fact I could accept it if it was liberal thought. But the left as a large percentage has gone progressive which in our society is becoming synonymous with socialist. That’s why the right or people who agree with trump are fighting so hard. We happen to like our land of the free and equal opportunity the way it mostly is. And the right thinks it’s immoral to steal and murder. And that if you make money it should largely stay your money. I really have a very large difficulty understanding why people think republicans or conservatives are so evil. And to sum it up torqued, I don’t have a good answer why they can’t simply look at the things we are saying, not assume or try to read between lines that aren’t there, and have civil discourse. I realize they would disagree. But it doesn’t seem like they can answer directly.

Post of the year.

Are we the same person because damn that sounds familiar.

So don’t say facts?.....got it

Wow, that was amazing. I really wish the History channel/Discovery channel did stuff like that and not the reality show bs they have evolved into the last 10-15 years.

The final certified margin between bush and gore in Florida was 537 votes. Gore didn't concede immediately because a state with enough electors to swing the entire election was hanging in the balance by a margin of a few hundred votes. When the legally mandated Florida recount proceedings finished, gore conceded. In contrast, Trump is behind by 10,000+ votes in the closest states. None of which are large enough on their own to change the overall election outcome. It's only a double standard if the situations are actually similar. Which they aren't.

Here's something that's well worth the time, 90 year old P-47 driver tells his story. Kind of long but well worth it. Living history from someone who was were there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo_irQ9bjzU&feature=youtu.be

Wait a sec... you were all to eager to engage the past few pages. What's changed? If you believe I cannot budge from my position, that's false. I can and I'd like to. It's just my position hasn't been sufficiently challenged. I'm open minded to reason and logic. However, if you believe you, yourself, cannot be budged from your position, that says to me that you'll stand by it no matter what. That's closed minded. Listen, I asked a few easy to answer questions. If you're a smart person, and I'll give you credit and say that you likely are, you see that my line of questioning will yield answers that will follow a path of logic that's detrimental to your position. That's why you're not going to answer them. Bye, I guess.

True, some portions of the narrative on the left are abhorrent. Basically everything you said, I agree with. You can’t defund the police, you can’t tell every 30 year old white dude he’s racist and sexist just for existing, and “cancel culture” is doing quite a bit of driving people to be even more partisan than before. I believe the far right’s attacks on science, the government (intelligence, HHS, etc), and media are more damaging to the country, though. Not far more - but more. This is literally becoming the party that is proud to see evidence and reject it just to reject it - not because there is logic or morality. A literal normalized saying right now is “fake news,” and I know people that are proud to say that to anything that doesn’t align with their current worldview. If you think about it, how can you ever reason with people like this?

Ooh, quotes! Let me do one for you: “In a way, the world−view of the Party imposed itself most successfully on people incapable of understanding it. They could be made to accept the most flagrant violations of reality, because they never fully grasped the enormity of what was demanded of them, and were not sufficiently interested in public events to notice what was happening. By lack of understanding they remained sane. They simply swallowed everything, and what they swallowed did them no harm, because it left no residue behind, just as a grain of corn will pass undigested through the body of a bird.” Heres one more: ”The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” This is fun.

The shoe clerks are staying in. I know a LOT of shoes that haven’t had to go to work for months and so their 30 min of email from home each day while getting a paycheck. Pilots, maintainers and others actually still have to work. But I know a lot of pilots who aren’t separating as covid dashed their airline plans. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app

With an Indiana girl on an Indiana night?

And that.. is bullshit. The men and women who volunteer to risk their lives and commit acts of violence on our behalf deserve the best available, most capable Americans on their side without any biological qualifiers. If policy makers or the American public thinks our current force make up isn’t diverse enough, then they need to find ways to develop the under represented and under preforming communities so 18-22 years from now those kids grow up to be the best available and most capable Americans willing to serve. The wrong answer is any sort of lowering of standards or preferential treatment for under represented groups.

That place is a shithole, who gives a shit who controls that wretched place. Let's GTFO now.

I think this is fantastic progress. Not only do you agree with both myself and slackline that fraud exists, but you go one step further in specifying that it is committed by Democrats. How is this fraud perpetrated? Give one example, please. Just one. Maybe two if you can think of two.

Here we go yet once again. Over and over again. Forum Debate 101: When you can't argue against a point, mischaracterize the point, and argue against that instead. Did I ever say the entire system is compromised? I don't think you know the definition of semantics. Semantics would be arguing, for example, the differences between a mischaracterization, a falsehood, and a lie. You want concrete evidence? I bet I can get you to also "lose interest" before we get there. Here's how: I'll ask you to establish what "concrete evidence" is. Give me an example that you wouldn't outright dismiss.

What fact is that. That there are racists on both sides. That democrats 155 years ago are racist and that Harris is incredibly racist? Yeah. I’m sure some racists voted for trump. Just like I’m positive racists voted for Biden. Equal outcome and equity are inherently racist. Armed protesters aren’t riots caused by riots. And maybe there was one riot caused by the right. There were something like 90 straight days in Portland of multiple riots throughout the city not caused by the right. So one compared to how many? Don’t worry man. I hold you and SLACK on the same level of incoherence and in ability to rationalize or answer questions. You twist, manipulate and try to justify something other than what is being talked about. At least it doesn’t seem that you are reverting to name calling like others. But just because you don’t want the left to be a party of racists or ones that support systematic racism doesn’t mean they aren’t. They absolutely are.