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Actually Liz Cheney was ousted because her fixation on Trump was preventing Republicans from moving on and being constructive. The first attempt to oust her failed, this one succeeded because she proved incapable of moving forward. People don’t like that. It’s not usually helpful. Might be germane to this conversation since you don’t care about current leadership and started this discussion by looking back a year…. That simply isn’t the most important and relevant thing for most of us. I also note you chose not to comment on the massive group aligned to push lies in order to take political power away from Trump. Yes everything is hyper partisan nowadays, to attempt leadership analysis in a vacuum discounting those variables is to guarantee an incomplete and therefore inaccurate result. Red vs Blue isn’t the only lens I can see through, but your link was atrociously partisan followed by decrying partisanship so I’m guessing this is a troll.

Ok, I’m game to hear your “debrief of lack of effective leadership.” However for context I’d like to know three things up front: What US elected leader did demonstrate effective leadership during the outset of C19 pandemic, or did they all initially bow to recommendations of “experts” who we know in retrospect were completely wrong (no outside transmission yet they locked us up and closed beaches, no surface spread yet they had us Clorox wiping groceries like idiots, etc.)? I’m trying to separate your analysis of Trump’s leadership from the leadership & recommendations from Fauci, CDC, WHO, NIH, etc. Do you acknowledge the unprecedented alliance of democratic political operatives, major media sources, and insurgent insiders within the government who conspired together to promote lies, even at the expense of hurting Americans, in order to damage Trump politically while he was attempting to lead during the pandemic? And finally, are you happy with our current national leadership regarding COVID; all the clarity of thought and consistency of guidance emanating from our CDC and White House? providing your thoughts on the above questions will be helpful in filtering out genuine discussion from trolling.

Psalm 139:13-16 For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother's womb. I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well. My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately woven in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed substance; in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them.

Manipulating words or language is a key tool in promoting agendas. There are lots of examples of this like global warming/climate change, gun control/gun safety, woman/birthing people or words used to intentionally confuse the topic of gender. The abortion argument is no different. You can see it in words or phrases like unwanted pregnancy vs abortion or any of the terms used to describe life other than baby or human, etc. Pro-abortion people know that abortion takes a life. They just choose to direct the conversation somewhere else because most people don’t have the courage or intellectual honesty to just say that they believe in abortion for convenience whether it kills a baby or not. I’d have more respect for their argument if they did. Arguments like rape, incest or even the health of the mother are just distractions. The vast vast number of abortions are simply out of convenience. And with the progress made in medicine, the baby is delivered early or operated on in the womb. I’ve got a buddy who has a daughter who was born at 24 weeks due to the mother’s pre-eclampsia. She’s a normal healthy 6 year old now. I never really gave much thought to abortion one way or another until I saw her in the NICU. Seeing that completely changed my view.

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Inflation is up. Gas availability is down.

I don’t understand, did you initiate this discussion to blame Trump for something? The link you posted stretches imagination to blame the former POTUS. Here’s an article about C19 origins with some truly good analysis and information: https://nicholaswade.medium.com/origin-of-covid-following-the-clues-6f03564c038

Lloyd Doggett is a hack ambulance chaser. Here is an honest timeline. https://consolidatedopinions.blogspot.com/2020/04/covid-19-time-line.html

"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you. Before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations." -Jeremiah 1:5 My friend, your opinion is also that, an opinion. And some opinions have zero value.

You're grasping at straws. There are logically consistent arguments for abortion but you choose not to use those. A zygote is a living organism with unique, human DNA.

https://doggett.house.gov/media-center/blog-posts/timeline-trump-s-coronavirus-responses Man it’s interesting to sit here at 1 G, 0 knots and debrief the ole Covid leadership response. It’s actually kind of funny, in a sad way.

I’ll give you that the truth may be somewhere in the middle, as there are gonna be biases either way (and both sources are biased). Only one of those sources had the quotes the American people were exposed to in their day-to-day.

It’s not a good comparison to find another leader in the US that acted better - the actual comparison is whether another national figurehead or leader of another country was better at leading. That is the only valid comparison to the US president. And I challenge you to look at New Zealand or South Korea. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/16/new-zealand-coronavirus-success-446192 Youll find their population isn’t split down made up party lines, they listened to science, and they’re doing a lot better - not just by Covid numbers, but by perceived national unity. Also, I never implied that the current democratic leadership is good or better. I don’t even believe that. I sure as hell don’t think Cuomo or Newsom did a good job. What I do believe is that leadership over the last year from the United States, at a national level, was pathetic (similar to Brazil). But I guess everything now is polarized red vs blue and that’s the only lens most of you can see. This mentality is why Liz Cheney was just ousted.

Yeah absolutely I did. His leadership in the moment felt just as bad, in the past, as the quotes attributed to him read right now. And sure it might be an escape. How does origin change his ineptitude at uniting the American people in the case of conflict? This is about debriefing a lack of effective leadership.