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Even if you don't believe in the Big Bang...that's a separate issue from evolution, which has very robust evidence and a ton of real-world examples.

Every one of your arguments is founded on reinterpreting concepts and quotes from the literal authors of the source material. A link to an article explaining CRT is not compelling when compared to the authors of CRT. Remember way back when I posted the article from the second largest teachers union in the country supporting Critical Race Theory? Your retort to that was to post something else from secondary sources and surveys. Why on Earth would you take that over the literal stated position of the teachers' union? Because it doesn't fit your narrative. An organization run by Marxists with Marxist principals on their website (until they became headlines) is somehow not actually Marxist. Lol. That's mental gymnastics. I also love the idea that you have to go to communist Russia for some reason to learn about a German ideology... Seriously do you know anything at all about the topics on which you opine? Honestly, the most amusing part of arguing with someone like you is that you capitalize MARXISM as though anyone is treating it as a boogie man. It's not. It's a fairly old, fairly persistent, and fairly dangerous ideology that rears its head repeatedly over the years. It's not fuzzy, the concepts are very well understood by both sides. But because you can't fathom a situation where your political opponents aren't just a bunch of backwards hick redneck religious nuts, you have to caricature their argument into something it's not. You go ahead and Google a bunch of sources that try to make CRT something that it's not. Pretend like anti-racism isn't what it is. I'll just continue to cite the authors of these doctrines when speaking about their ideas, rather than relying on a completely fabricated alternative explanation that better fits my ideology. Imagine the chaos that would ensue if Republicans started espousing the merits of Nazism, but every time you referenced Hitler or the Holocaust, the republican explained how Nazism is more of a nebulous concept that covers lots of things, and did that "trained Nazi" actually go to Germany to learn about being a Nazi? Your posts have become almost as audacious as the press secretary getting on national TV and claiming that um, actually, it's the Republicans who are the party of defund the police! Why are you blaming democrats?! I could be wrong, but your posts read as a well-meaning but completely ignorant liberal who's just caught up in the mythos that is being told to you about the other side. Pretty much the same thing that's happened in the Republican party in a lot of ways. But it's a pretty solid strategy, because it stops you from thinking critically about anything that "your side" is doing. And right now, the democrats are doing some amazing stuff. Conversely, your almost deliberate refusal to use the source material when defining these concepts seems like a little bit more than casual ignorance. It's incredible that not a single Republican politician has met with white supremacists, read from their books publicly, or donated to their causes, yet we're still fed the bullshit line that the conservative movement is aligned with white nationalism. But even the most casual link is distorted and misrepresented as some sort of full-throated endorsement of a hateful and racist ideology. Democrats however jump fully in bed with people espousing the most fatal ideology in the history of humanity (yes, your favorite bogey man, Marxism), quote them publicly, join them in protests, and defend them fiercely from any sort of criticism, but don't you dare call the Democratic party Marxist. And don't you dare call them racist either, because only white people can be racist in America (another real claim by White Fragility author and leftist darling Robin DiAngelo).

Both sides think that anything the other side claims is a “dog whistle,” so much so that it’s a boy-who-cried-wolf phrase anymore, and it’s essentially surely a sign that there is no substance to the claim.

Yep. When I joined the Bill Gates fan club I got my little orphan Annie secret decoder ring and have been receiving messages from the Gates-Clinton-Soros cabal ever since with Marxist talking points attached. SMH. Simply giving my opinion that this is just the latest boogeyman for the right out of a long list of things that have really turned out to be not much. Example: remember ANTIFA? I thought they were taking over and that due to their highly organized and dangerous tactics we’d all be mandarin speaking marxists by now. For such an existential threat to our society they sure seem to have disappeared quickly. What about Hunter’s laptop? I thought there was devastating evidence that was seemingly continually about to be released. The shills on the right seem to have lost interest in that one. The list of right wing phantom threats goes on and on. Somehow all of them seem to be Marxist in origin as well. What’s with that? From my perspective nobody seems to be able to define CRT. Many of the people advocating for it appear to be arguing for nothing more than adding a dose of realism to the history that is taught in our country. The right seems to be very good at defining and demonizing many of these movements. BLM: A simple idea that Black Lives Matter as much as white ones? Nope. It’s a Marxist plot to overthrow the American way. ANTIFA: A bunch of hippies who don’t like neo nazis? Nope. It’s a Marxist plot to overthrow the American way. Democrats: A sometimes overly sensitive group of heavy spenders who nevertheless want to see The United States improve and succeed? Nope. A Marxist plot….well you get the picture. CRT is just the latest leap the right is making in order to keep its base energized. It’s all getting a bit stale for those of us non-Tucker, non Alex Jones consumers.

No, that argument has no logical continuity. What about being born with smarter parents? What about being born with genes that will make you taller? Should we force "equity" of height and parental intelligence too, since we have scientifically validated evidence that they provide advantages? It's created with equal rights, not equal surroundings. The founders weren't obtuse.

Biggest misconception out there. No evidence of fish becoming apes then humans. Fossil record simply doesn’t exist. still the THEORY of evolution.

interesting devils advocate. So what about the thought that what a person earns through his labor is his, whether that be $1000 or $1B? Each person should be free to spend that money however they see fit, and if that’s inheritance, then so be it. Now, you can argue the recipient of said inheritance didn’t earn it, but why is that anyone’s business besides within the family? Is it fair for me to buy my son a bike while the neighbor kid had to mow lawns all summer to buy his own? Maybe not in a vacuum and the truest sense of the word, but in the real world, I get to decide as the parent what my son must work for and what I provide directly to him without labor required. That’s liberty. To address equality of opportunity…I think the difference is one person may have a steeper climb, but they can achieve the same mountain top. Nobody is limited by anything other than their own perseverance and capabilities. Everyone absolutely may have different/more or less barriers to achieving a similar goal (e.g. family wealth), but the poor person in this analogy can still go to Harvard like the rich Nantucket kid with a family connection…the poor kid just has a greater challenge to get there (but the opportunity is squarely in existence).

@lloyd christmas -not on the left -not trying to deny/deflect -also agree critical race theory is trash Just chill for a sec and you might realize im agreeing with you. And my proposing personal finance education was a dig at democrats because it would do way more to achieve their "equity" goals than CRT would. You create upward mobility in society by teaching self-sufficiency rather than perpetual victimhood. @dream big As for creationism over CRT, I'm not sure what good teaching one brand of nonsense over another would accomplish. Especially because there are some pretty nasty implications that follow if you accept the premise that an omnipotent god created everything.

Absolutely..Died to BAF runs are still happening in the MAF. Dude we are still going into Somalia every couple weeks even though “we pulled out” post Trump tweet. The military industrial complex will never let us leave those shitholes.

You are seeing the classic deny, deny, counter-accuse tactic used on this thread by some on the left. They’ve denied CRT exists. They’ve denied CRT is being taught in schools. And they’ve followed up with a irrelevant creationism argument. Teaching creationism or personal finance has absolutely nothing to do with CRT. It’s all about the pivot when you know you can’t defend your side’s position. CRT is the next step in the process of demonizing straight white men. It’s designed to create division and resentment for future generations. I’ve said in previous comments that we’ve gone from Nazi’s to white supremacists to now the entire country and system is based on oppression and racism. As some have pointed out, CRT isn’t about simply teaching history - the good and the bad. It’s about creating a narrative that our country is fundamentally flawed and must be changed. And it was exposed because of COVID. Parents were able to listen to what their kids teachers were saying while on classroom zoom calls. I’m glad parents are standing up to this garbage. I think we are going to see a lot more people pushing back, in many different arenas and over many different topics. The progressive left is absolutely out of control. This is all becoming an argument of right vs wrong or good vs evil and not just differing political views.

Totally coherent and able to recognize what's happening moments when asked about leaving Afghanistan, about Russian cyberattacks of the week. We can discuss the WH putting together a deal so that Hunter can sell his "art" for $.5M each and it not be seen as buying access later. And those danged courts striking down the farm loan repayments for everyone, literally, except whites. I look forward to having the jacovid witnesses come by my place to ask for my vaccination papers...

This was what my brain translated...

Karma in-process: "Pakistan, After Rooting for Afghanistan’s Taliban, Faces a Blowback" https://www.wsj.com/articles/pakistan-after-rooting-for-afghanistans-taliban-faces-a-blowback-11625822762?st=pr8bgyzjdukghoo&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink This is supposed to be a link so that anyone can read the karma (story).

Can you define CRT? I ask because I find that the people quickest to defend it are either A) the propagators or B) liberals who have no idea what it is. You are the latter. A Marxist plot... Yes. Yes that's correct, because the people who created it, as well as the biggest propagators (e.g., BLM) are open Marxists. Critical Race Theory is a race-based evolution of Critical Theory. Critical Theory is literally Marxist. From Wiki: "it argues that social problems are influenced and created more by societal structures and cultural assumptions than by individual and psychological factors." Conversely, "CRT recognizes that racism is codified in law, embedded in structures, and woven into public policy. CRT rejects claims of meritocracy or “colorblindness.” Sound familiar? So yeah. It's a real thing, with a real definition, with real proponents pushing it in real life. Your ignorance, which is evidently substantial, does not change that. Take a step back from your bubble, which *exactly* like the republican bubble has trained you to reflexively dismiss anything you hear from the other side, and realize that just like there are factions within the conservative side of America, there are factions within liberal America. One of those factions is very powerful in politics, media, and academia despite having nearly zero presence in middle America. Yet they are whispering in the President's ear, and he is dutifully repeating their garbage.

Holy smokes dude, if anyone is chugging down propaganda from media shills, its you. Antifa has gone more quiet because a leftist administration that has worked to advance many of the things they demanded is now the regime in power. The notion that they are just hippies that don't like neo-nazis is f*cking laughable and makes me wonder if you aren't just trolling. Or maybe you really believed that the shit that went down over the summer of 2020 was just a "summer of love". Hunter's laptop story was effectively silenced by big tech. And the whole Hunter Biden story only continues to get richer (just like Hunter Biden) as anonymous buyers pay massive sums for his garbage art, sums that not even established artists could pull down for their works. Wonder where that money is coming from? BLM as an organization that simply wants black lives to matter as much as white ones is a flat out lie and a quick scroll through their own website will tell you as much. It has literally been defined, linked to, etc.. multiple times in this very thread.

My intent wasn't to start an evolution discussion but just to point out the hypocrisy of stating that creationism is totally faith nonsense when in fact both belief systems have tons of faith. Every "assumption" in science (e.g. the foundations of life/basic matter always existed, we evolved by chance...) is faith. I've had lengthy discussions about the origin of life with some of my professor colleagues in biology and chemistry here at school, and ultimately they have to concede there is indeed lots of faith in their worldview. I don't have enough faith to see what I see around me and conclude, there is no creator (ymmv).

If you want to do some on a study about why your opinion may be wrong or why that article isn’t complete you might check out a case for a Creator or Darwins black box. Both have interesting takes on the argument and aren’t based on religion.

There’s not enough time in the day today to disagree with all the points that need it on that article. Agree to disagree.

That’s not what the theory of evolution is about. Nice try

GHawk, I'm sorry I don't really have an answer. I left Wright-Patt last fall and don't have any privy to recent events. I will say that many of these "exceptions" are based on who is sitting in the decision making seat so they do change with personnel changes. All I do know for sure is that there have been very borderline cases where an applicant was given the thumbs up.

Yeah. I agree and don’t think anyone was saying evolution has less evidence than creationism. If you want a new thread feel free. I find that people are pretty set in their beliefs on this one and have to search things out themselves.

I completely agree with what you said (creationism is inoffensive compared to CRT), but then again, I wasn't responding to you. However the claim that creationism has more scientific support than evolution is lunacy. And since the big bang was bought up as well, there's zero evidence for the seven day creation story, and a decent (though by no means conclusive) set of evidence for the big bang. I'm familiar with the mental gymnastics some do to reconcile the literal word of the bible with science. And I'm quite happy to discuss/debate it if you want, but let's move it to a new thread. Creationism is almost entirely harmless historical storytelling (IMO). CRT is a terrible threat if it blossoms. Both are religion, and not all religions are equal.

Is that why the age of the universe keeps increasing? Carbon dating can’t go back that far. Is it because science can’t explain the really really low probability number and just keeps increasing the age to justify making it possible? Pretty sure the odds take into account age and the probability of it ever happening. Not just at any given point.

If time is infinite then it doesn’t matter the odds because at some point it could happen. That opens up a whole list of other topics such as multi verses , simulations , etc. But to say oh the odds are so low so there must be a creator is confirmation bias. There are several ways it could have happened and the real answer most likely we can’t even fathom. Humans can’t understand 1,000 years. Try understanding a billion. Our brains are made for short term thoughts , ie a lifetime.

lol, I would love to see that "science"... and if you're ok with teaching that "theory", what's wrong with teaching other theories?

Dirdnls post works. That’s as far as I got….

Go with link. That guy was terrifying. Hope he's on the SiV list...

Varies wildly, with so many factors to consider. Some commutes are what some say are "super easy," and others are damn near impossible. Weather/IROPs can really throw a wrench into your plans. I left AAL for DAL because commuting absolutely sucks. I was staring down the barrel of a career of being gone a few more nights/month without pay...as in, another work month+ (per year) worth of days gone from home. Being on a WB can greatly mitigate this, so something to consider. Some prioritize location over those extra nights at home which I get, but it certainly wasn't for me. DAL has an unable to commute clause, whereby if you have a realistic backup (ie...seats open) and you just couldn't make it, they'll drop the trip without pay. A few times here and there, no big deal. Start making a habit of it and the Chief pilot is probably going to schedule a meeting. I'd assume that most of the other airlines have something similar. Right now it's moo point here at DAL since we have positive space commuting, but it's not actually in the contract, so it can (and likely will) be pulled at any time. My view on commuting...I'd move #3 up to the #1 spot. If I absolutely had to commute, if they're not already, FDX/UPS would be my top choices. They appear to have a decent amount of trips that begin/end with deadheads, which would make commuting much less stressful! Seriously though, not commuting is like having an entirely different job! In my short 8-9 years of airline flying I've witnessed some ridiculous buffoonery (and some serious blood pressure) by guys trying to catch a commute flight. I never dreamed I'd be in a situation where I thought I'd have to call a go-around from the jumpseat...but sometimes that's what you get when both pilots are trying to catch the last commute flight out of town. The happiest commuter I ever met was the guy who just gave up and always commuted up the night prior and stayed at the DTW Westin. If we got in late at the end of the trip he just went back to the Westin and got a room. Then again, he said his wife made 3x what he did and they had no kids...so no real stress of missing nights/spending money.

I would 300,000 times rather have a school teach creationism theory over CRT. I would rather kids learn there is a theory that everything was potentially created by a loving God and the science behind it that potentially supports it. Instead of CRT which is a lie and a cult. Super sick and no where in any shape or form based on fact or science and actually calls out to action. Indoctrinates our kids and pushes them to a mean hateful way of life that’s racist. You’re either a victim or a victim created in CRT. Either way is bad and just pure trash. So consider that a loving God created everything or that it’s ok to discriminate against race sex or creed and that everything our country is founded on is wrong. You’re not dumber than than the quantifiable smart people or it’s not your fault you don’t have money, you’re oppressed and need the government to support you. I’m fine with not teaching either to our kids not interested in creating victims and fostering a racist mentality in our country I can’t believe that our society is even considering this. But this is the same society that is supposedly systematically racist (that minorities in droves come here to join every year) with zero proof or evidence. We are just supposed to now after 60 years of being told measure a man by his character and it’s wrong to judge him by the color of his skin, sex, creed to a mentality that says it’s ok to discriminate based on race, sex, or creed. It’s sick and un-American.

No it doesn’t. “The fossil record is incomplete. Of the small proportion of organisms preserved as fossils, only a tiny fraction have been recovered and studied by paleontologists” there is no link via fossil record for evolution. Mutation sure but not species changing evolution

Pawnman you show your immaturity in debates by neg repping posts you don’t agree with. Has a very “I’m gonna take my ball and go home” feel to it. I find that a lot in evolution/climate change/CRT theory Pumpers. Carey on.