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I'm not pro or anti VAX but I have questions on the VAX. This vax was available for testing within like 4 months of the pandemic. After like 6 months it was the silver bullet vs Covid. But now there are ppl that have the vax and being hospitalized. Jesse Jackson and his wife, Oscar De la Hoya just to name a few celebs. There are many other break through cases. We really dont know what the make up of hospitalizations is because there is a good chance they will never admit how many breakthrough hospitalizations there are because then they lost all credibility. (not like we haven't been lied to before, Vietnam, Iraq, AFG, etc....)My 38 yr old healthy cousin is vaxed but still got pretty sick, not hospitalized. Most likely same symptoms vaxed or not. Now they are calling for boosters cuz the vax wears off. The US is in the 2nd highest case peak and climbing last i checked. Maybe, just maybe this vaccine sucks and they didn't have adequate time to really test it? Bring these questions up to a hard left pro vaxer and you basically get labeled as a racist deplorable trump supporter. There is literally no conversation. Just look at this thread. The position I am currently in is that my odds are low of dying of Covid. The VAX may or may not reduce my chance of hospitalization but even that my odds are still low of requiring a bed. I am not confident what the long term effects of hte vaccine are at this point. I am aware I will most likely need the vaccine to continue my job in hte civilian sector. Side note: We have an office in Calgary. Im pretty close with a guy there and I asked a while ago why Canada is so crazy over shut downs. Apparently they only have 250 ICU beds in Alberta which is like 4.5mm ppl. Compare that to my state of CO where we have like 2k....makes you glad you dont have govt run health care and makes sense if that is the case in Australia why they are freakign out over 5 cases. They simply pissed away tax payer money vs building the health care infrastructure.

So... after 102 pages of discussion and back and forth... does using a seatbelt increase or decrease my odds of getting COVID?

But I'm not.... So you apparently are unable to follow what's going on. I have every vaccine in the DoD inventory, including COVID which I got in February of 21. (One of the earliest) I'm making a stand on ethics and morality and you are simply stuck in a black and white worldview thats selfishly interested in removing bodily autonomy from everyone else so you can go about a normal life again. Get over yourself bro.

Dude we are talking about the medical neccesity of vaccinating people who have already recovered from COVID. This has nothing to do with polio or children. Your arguments make no sense.

If you think COVID and polio have the same risk factors for children then you’re an idiot. I’m sorry but you are.

Polio/TB: much much worse than COVID. Measle/Mumps/Rubella/Chickenpox: Not nearly as bad as COVID normally, disproportionately affects kids however. A COVID vaccine requirement for public schools/military, is perfectly in line with normal practice in America. Mandatory vaccines generally is less common. Smallpox the last time? I honestly don't know. Question for the "anti-vaxxers," something I've been thinking about a bit: If the Faucis of the world had been completely transparent instead of shaping their comments to the public to get a desired behavior. If the politicians hadn't been completely hypocritical. If the public had reimbursed businesses for loss due to public action. Etc. Would you be as vehemently against the vaccine? a mandate? In other words, how much of your position is based on "not one more fucking inch" vs opposition to this specific thing? Being honest with myself, I don't think I would have sneezed if all that went away, and this was solely about a mandatory, free vaccine.

Combat Rescue Helicopter…because only using the word “Rescue” would be a disservice.

Wtf are you talking about dude? Do you even know anymore?

This is what the CRG and STS career fields are for. Bonus, both carry with them organic security capes. If CENTCOM and DOD aren’t run by a bunch of idiots we would’ve figured this out before the withdrawal went south.

The two agencies do not work well together. I’ve spent a lot of time supporting the East Africa Response Force, it’s a giant joint planning circle jerk while waiting for the DOS, the actual lead agency, to do anything. Look at how Benghazi transpired. You had alert birds asking to takeoff from the Med while the state department sat on their vaginas. Afghanistan, however, is incompetence that is unprecedented. Anyone that calls this a success beyond the COCOM/strategic level needs a mental examination.

I’d like to see us move away from a Q-3 risk adverse flying culture. Better way to teach lessons than just slap Q-3’s on aircrew for every incorrect decision. It builds a mindset and culture that is afraid of failure and afraid to take risks in combat.

Bingo!

No, it is hyperbole. Concerning, yes…but it doesn’t come close to the biggest seizure of power in history. This type of hyberbole and lack of historical context obscures your otherwise valid concerns.

Exactly that mentality is why military leadership is so bad. What you described is a lack of accountability to the vision. It comes from the mindset in the military that the right professional education and career "broadening" will produce good leaders, when in fact, for a lot of people who make it to Sq/CC and above, they just don't have what it takes. You can't run a huge organization without delegating, and delegating is an ongoing process. Keep cycling through people until you find the right one. But in the military we instead we cycle leaders out every two years regardless and "let [them] loose to figure it out" for that short amount of time. The results speak for themselves. Figuring out how to solve a SQ/GP/WG specific problem as the leader of that organization is great. Figuring out your own interpretation of the executive vision is not. Comply or step aside. An example: https://www.507arw.afrc.af.mil/About-Us/Biographies/Display/Article/2409725/colonel-michael-b-parks/ This guy got one of the worst climate assessment surveys in the AF when he was SQ/CC. 44 pages of comments of I remember correctly, almost entirely negative. I've never seen such a united disdain for a commander from the whole squadron, even the ones he was pushing for future command. Yet there he is... Rewarded. There are plenty of examples.

I’m still waiting for motorcycles to be banned…you know, for public safety.

10000% shack. You’re completely right about the long term phased planning. And then add at least 20% to every quantifiable metric (especially time). The other thing that absolutely drives me bananas with air power experts is that when the ground force commander says something, they just go “okay”. NO! Offer the realistic answer and tell the truth. The GFC is just some guy the same way we all are and they aren’t infallible. It’s almost like we’ve got people that are afraid to tell ground folks they can’t do something. There’s a difference between a Ranger digging deep to keep moving through physical exhaustion to reach an objective and an airplane running out of gas. Flip side of that is find a way to “yes” and don’t hide behind interpretive rules to say no to everything. If there’s a T-3 waiver needed for mission accomplishment and you can do it, get that guy on the phone and get it waived. Sorry for the rant. This topic gets under my skin.

Right...public health protections that use vaccines to reduce risk are entirely incomparable. Just like seat belts and traffic laws. The only thing that matters is not taking the Covid vaccine for some reason, after taking a half dozen other vaccines. I don't have any more arguments for you. The vaccines reduce the spread. The vaccines reduce the severity. The vaccines have a very low rate of side-effects. I don't have any new arguments for you. The data has been cited over a dozen times in this thread alone. Get the vaccines or don't, I don't care. But if you don't get them, then you're probably gonna be hunting for a new job, and most of the airlines are also pushing people to get vaccines or have some kind of consequences. The entire federal government is following the DoD's lead on mandatory vaccines. So...maybe start your own anti-vaxx t-shirt company?

Combat Talon...

Like a Combat Aerial Port. With Combat State Dept Reps for the people verification. PS. I learned that putting "Combat" in front of words makes it sound more capable. That and "Combat Showers" means you're in "Combat Conditions" and thus qualify for Combat Pay.

Ah, hostages for negotiations. How much?

How far we have fallen when we can't seize an airfield without blinking. I can't even remember how many nights I sat over the airfield killing AAA pieces while the cud chewers flailed in the Chutes and Ladders trying to work timing and spacing. Even back then we could still seize an airfield while the E's burned a weezer blowing smoke out the 105MM and the EWO distracted by the latest edition of Penthouse.

Depends on the situation. Neither CRG or STS are an airfield seizure force. The expectation is that someone like 75RR would secure the field in advance and there would be a phased swap out. STS is likely attached to 75RR and would bring in the initial airlift that contains the CRG, or direct them to airdrop. But there is very specific phased force packaging for airfield standup. Recommend you read about PRIME BEEF on SIPR.

I never once saw a general who held his subordinate generals accountable to their leadership vision. I'm not sure you could find a more revered leader than Welsh as CSAF, yet for all his talk of "if it doesn't make sense, we don't do it," he never fired a general or O-6 who ignored that philosophy within their own command. And there were plenty to make examples of. It might be the single greatest leadership failing of the AF. Wing commanders and above are only held accountable if they do something illegal or something that generated publicity.

Ahh, but there in lies the problem. You are assuming that maintenance is producing enough jets for us to get into the cockpit on a weekly basis. 😆

The other issue is that COVID is driving a lot of hospitals into bankruptcy. They don't make as much money treating COVID patients as they do performing elective surgeries (many of which they've had to postpone because of COVID). The government gives them $40k every time they put someone on a ventilator, but it still doesn't compare to the triple bypasses they could be doing.

Physical hospital space and available beds is one problem, and that's an easier problem to solve because you can throw money at it to fix it. Staying and patient loads are a bigger problem. I mean, it's not like it doesn't take years to create doctors and nurses to staff those hospitals (as well as everything else medical related such as clinics and nursing homes), and the pipeline (particularly for doctors) is already maxed out. It's like the AF pilot retention problem, except doctors don't have an ADSC and there's no real way to increase the production of doctors in a year like the AF can with pilots.

Man I’ll tell ya, the medical and scientific communities really should have thought of a solution that could be widely dispersed to keep people out of hospitals and to keep people from getting severely ill with COVID. It’s too bad they couldn’t figure it out.

For the same reason the vaccinated are being told to wear masks. The leadership knows they can't easily discriminate between vaccinated and unvaccinated, so unvaccinated people will be able to get by not wearing masks. This is intolerable to the power hungry, so everyone wears masks. They are, however, smart enough to realize that if the vaccinated were told the truth, that they were forced to wear masks because the unvaccinated were breaking the rules, they would never go along with it. So instead we're subjected to wild exaggerations and logical fallacies about disease transmission amongst the vaccinated. It always shuffles back to the same unanswered question. If the vaccinated are largely protected from the disease, and everybody has had a chance to be vaccinated, and the unvaccinated are not asking anybody to do anything to protect them, why exactly are masks still mandatory? And overloading the hospitals is no longer a relevant argument. It's been 18 months and trillions of dollars spent. If the hospitals haven't been built out to handle this disease, they never will be.

Take a look in the mirror. Your self-righteous rage is creepy.

Why would you cheer each and everyone? You know that masks and vaccines wont stop the pandemic right?

“Follow the science”

Misinformation, a lack of credible leadership and the fact you have to dig through a bunch of media sensationalized bullshit to try to find some semblance of facts to make your decisions. That’s why it’s split. There’s whole regions of the country who have bought into the vaccine. There’s whole regions of the country that reject it. The more one is surrounded by one narrative or the other, the more inclined one is to go with the flow. There’s a lot of strong group think out there and not a lot of critical thought.

I hope stories like Scheller's gets thrown back in the faces of the current government come midterms. Not saying that he should be free from consequence, but like, really? Generals patting themselves on the back for "the best airlift operation since Berlin" while court-martialing an FGO for daring to question their integrity? It's genuinely disgraceful, no matter how you slice it. If some generals owned up to it, took accountability, and resigned, and then Scheller got court-martialed anyways, I would think it would be more justified. But this? Absolutely disgraceful. It seems like to get a bird or stars, you have to turn in your balls first.

Desantis is a bully (my opinion) and I despise bullies. And the next President should be under 60yo. Biden is done. 1. He is incompetent and I'm being kind with my words right now; probably well into dementia. He will get heavier and heavier to prop up. Any decision he makes is dangerous because he lacks the mental ability to make them. 2. The fucked up AFG exit will stick to him and his administration forever. There isn't a story or image available to paint a better picture. From people falling off the C-17 on takeoff, to the picture of the Marine holding a baby that was then killed in the Kabul attack, to the story of former operators going in on their own to rescue people they worked with and promised a better life, this complete and utterly inept group must go. Every time I see Bidens picture ...... When he said he will make them pay in regards to the Kabul attacks, he should include himself. 3. No leader of any country, organization, company, or political entity will, nor should they, ever trust Biden and his inept administration ever again. He is completely ineffective. Zero influence, or more accurately, zero positive and most likely just negative influence. Out

Then Ruh Roh, is what ill potentially say to that. With Lawton open, the only justification you'd have left to pull that stunt is a right gen no cross situation (left gen no cross might not even make the cut honestly), making you a no trim no flap jet. That one requires a checklist stipulated outsized urgency and the longest qualifying runway you can find on the way down, tower or no tower, second only to total DC out or, engine compartment fire. That AND/OR the rather exceptional compounding happenstance of being in such a degraded fuel state that it would have put you at emergency fuel a mere 35nm north. That itself would be a source of scrutiny on its own if true, given SPS was not the intended destination in the first place. BL, the guy is gonna have to demonstrate a compound EP here. If LAW was open, and he landed fat on gas at tower-closed home plate, with a good cross? Oof. Good night Irene. I hope for his sake one of those three can be answered in the negative. Now, taking my 38 SEFE hat off for a second and putting a hypothetical OG hat. Would i Q3 the guy if the above 3 strike hypothetical was true? Nah. Not if the jet didn't get bent. Id retrain the guy notionally, have him do the slut shaming rounds. Id understand not sharing further details to protect those being currently scrutinized. Happy to keep this in the realm of the hypothetical. Cheers.

Now wait a minute. Enough of the 20 questions, is it a goddamned T-6 or is it a T-38? This actually matters a lot wrt the question of landing at SPS after hours for a generator failure, as the justification for a Q-3. Yuge difference in EP decision matrix between the two for the EP in question. It can very much be an imprudent decision to put a T-38 in a closed field (even home field) for a simpleton generator failure with good cross, with a suitable (rwy length is the big LIMFAC for 38 diverts) runway a mere 35NM north. Not so in the case of the single generator in a T-6 failing, which is much more time sensitive wrt time to total elec failure.

Meh… AMC and AETC have made the boogey-man Q3 virtually meaningless on its face thru overuse.

Because, as I’ve said, there is no scientific evidence to suggest we need to discriminate between the two from an efficacy perspective. Everything suggests that Moderna/JJ provide about the same protection at very minimal risk. FDA approval is not some magic thing that liberal policy makers cling onto, and you shouldn’t either - although you will to be obtuse. There is no scientific evidence to suggest that FDA approval correlates to efficacy. It’s why all of these people on this forum - a lot of your peers - have been successfully vaccinated for months before FDA approval. This is condescending, but this is my 4th message and I addressed it previously. Learn to read and comprehend people’s responses: I understand the next message from you will be, “I still see you simply cannot address my point. Pfizer is good, so if libtards were being good science followers, they would mandate it over everything else because we live in a black and white world. Checkmate.”

That's fine. I got what I wanted. Y'all are either getting vaccinated or getting out.

Almost as strange as expecting them to care about their fellow Americans or follow orders. Wild stuff.

Take it up with SECDEF. They've already kicked one person for refusing the vaccine and mask. I'm pretty sure there's about to be a bunch more. I'll be cheering each and every one.

Oh, the argument only works for Covid, not polio? Where is your cutoff for vaccines that should be required vs ones that shouldn't be?