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Horrific argument...there is a HUGE difference between running laps to save time and forcing someone to get a vaccine that may cause harm. For the record, I believe in the vaccine, I got it X 2. That being said I thought we were supposed to follow the science? Saying that having a nuanced policy is too idealistic is a terribly lazy argument. We put 10 men on the moon, I think we can figure out a science based approach to vaccination. INHO there should be exceptions and I will use my friend "Bob" as an example. He and his wife both had COVID and are in an antibody study at the University of Houston. His wife's test results show her N series is at 29.6. His is at 123. Her spike protein was 638, his is over 2500. Both N & S are off chart. First of all neither one of them need the vaccine, second, where is the science on how people like this are impacted? If the Clown in Chief is pushing his policy that is the best for everyone, why do illegals get a pass?

This one was more fun than the last ones. Make sure to pass this message on to whoever sent you the study! Did you know that teenage boys around the age of 15 actually normally have Cardiac Adverse Events (CAEs) at a rate of ~140/million without any shots whatsoever? I didn’t either, but it’s true. If you look at females age 13-15, they’re at just about 25/million (this is higher than the COVID study lol). That puts the study’s incidence rate at… just about normal. TLDR this study does not present any evidence that COVID vaccination has any effect on standard CAE rates for adolescents. https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/JAHA.116.005306 The authors of your quoted study never do what’s actually important: compare CAE rate of unvaccinated boys to CAE rates of those that got vaccines. Instead he compares potatoes to tomatoes and looks at CAE rates of boys with the vaccine compared to the chances they have a reported COVID hospitalization. Those logically are not an actual good scientific comparison. If he actually wrote this study fairly, it would say “CAE rates of vaccinated boys aged 12-15 are roughly similar to the unvaccinated population.” Here’s the graph from the study on baseline CAE rates: Or, the top commenter on your linked study more eloquently said: “Arola et al. show that the incidence of myocarditis is in the vicinity of 140 per year per million boys aged 15 (in girls, and other boys, the incidence is roughly an order of magnitude smaller). By neglecting the prior probability of myocarditis in all persons, not just those being vaccinated, the authors render their conclusions completely untenable. In other words, while the risk of hospitalization from COVID in boys is arguably smaller than the risk from myocarditis, there is no evidence that vaccination status affects the myocarditis risk.“

Well more people in the country today seem to care about football than what happened in Afghanistan…

Navy Offensive Coordinator’s mind right now: “I lost a stupid football game to Air Force and I’m out of a job, Biden, Miley and their incompetent defense staff lost one of the most embarrassing conflicts in modern history and they still have in a job”

https://fox59.com/news/hundreds-turn-out-to-honor-corporal-humberto-sanchez-during-hometown-procession/ One of the 13 heroes come home today via Grissom ARB. 1000s (not an exaggeration) of motorcycles in the procession. It took hours to transfer Corporal Sanchez to his home in Logansport because the streets were lined with people paying their respects. He was 22. And he was a patriot.

This might be the worst post I've ever read here, only because of how insidiously dangerous this mindset is. Yeah, war is messy. But this war wasn't messy for over 2 years, and really it wasn't messy for quite a bit longer than that. This war was very very clean, to the point where you can't even really call it a war anymore. But it suddenly became very messy because of the idiotic desires of the president (and his predecessor) and the bureaucracy that enabled them to fuck this up. Under Trump a couple high-profile generals resigned because of this idiotic desire to return to isolationism. Where were the resignations under Biden? It is inconceivable that the military hierarchy did not know this was going to happen. Anyone who has been deployed there over the last two decades knew that this would happen if we left, so where are the high-profile resignations? Where are the generals falling on their swords in an attempt to prevent bloodshed? Instead we get an airstrike as a consolation prize, a wishful distraction by an administration that is fucked up so royally even an incredibly accommodating press can't help but push back on their lies. If you don't lose your job over a fuck up like this, then you are essentially advocating for a system that has no accountability.

Dude you sound nothing short of insane in your last 6-9 post. But if I'm understanding you correctly you only believe a right to bodily autonomy exist when it fits your moral narrative and not others? Did heaven ordain your benevolence or did you just decide yourself you were a god?

Congratulations you have posted the dumbest shit I have ever read on this website.

If your point is that there would be benefit in being more nuanced in saying who should be vaccinated, you are right. In an idealistic world, you’d be able to do that. Just like how in an ideal world, I shouldn’t have to run my PFA if I ran a half marathon the week prior. But realistic employment of idealistic policy runs into several issues, and that’s why there is no way I can tell the PT monitor to accept my 1:27 half as a passing score. I still have to run the 6 laps. 1) How does the government assess if you’re not at risk to say that you probably don’t need the vaccine? You don’t even tell the flight doc the actual amount of whiskey you drink each week; how will big government know if a random 40 year old is actually an unhealthy risk factor that’s going to clog up a hospital? First, the government would have to get everyone’s health records, which would be seen as a gigantic breach of privacy, I am sure. There is no government mandated health screening. There is no government oversight of your medical records. Lets go down this path further. The gov mandates that all people over the age of 50 get the vaccine, because they can tell age with the SSA. I’m sure there’s still be bitching and moaning, but let’s pretend that this was popularly accepted. Okay, that solves this pandemic for a giant group that is at risk. Now they have to cover everyone under 50 that is high risk. They try to figure out how to mandate high risk under 50s to get the vaccine. They realize that 42% of Americans are Obese. 75% of Americans are overweight. And they can’t tell anything else about these humans individually based on privacy. Almost impossible to assess cardiovascular health by looking at someone. You can’t ask everyone to send in their BMI. People won’t tel you if they are smokers or drinkers. They also realize humans are notoriously bad at self reporting their health, especially if it’s about something they don’t want. The only way to capture a sufficient amount of the at risk population is to have everyone be vaccinated. Which it turns out makes sense anyways because the vast majority of Americans actually have risk factors because we are an extremely unhealthy nation. 2) This virus spreads quickly and in a shitty way that is not easy to control. It has an R0 value of 5-9. Yes, I wanted to say 6-9, but I feel that would have been nit picked. That means that if you send your healthy, not at risk, kids to school sick, they’re gonna end up getting a looooot of other people sick through secondary infections. You ever played the six degrees of Kevin Bacon? Where it almost always proves that we are way more interconnected as a society than you would ever assume? Well apply that to this scenario. Your kids - who won’t interact with any old people or at risk folks directly (other than tons of teachers, but we’ll ignore that) - will get kids of at risk people infected. They will get kids of caregivers infected. They will get people who work in critical industry infected. And it only takes 2-4 jumps to hit a huge percentage of a specific subset of society. It doesn’t have to just be kids. It can be young fighter pilots. They spreads it to an enlisted maintainer, who spreads it to the entire MXG. One of you is going to hit the commissary or the gym, which will open up the whole base. And everyone’s spouse and their place of work is now at risk. It quickly becomes unmanageable, exposing tons of high risk folks to the illness even though the first person was not “at risk.” Additionally, it spreads both asymptomatically and before symptoms emerge. So there is no real way you can stop this effect, no matter how well intentioned you are to keep your sick kids - or your sick self - at home. You cannot insulate the effects of spread via good intentions. 3) Human beings, whether you like it or not, are not as well intentioned as we wish. There is a natural range of support for individualism vs the collective across Americans, leaning more heavily on individualism than almost any other country. Here’s an anecdote. My parents, who are old, are at high risk for COVID. They aren’t healthy, they don’t take precautions, and they meet many other risk factors. Due to the politicization of this virus, instead of getting vaccinated, they have paid for fake vaccine cards. They may die for their insistence on listening to idiots on talk radio, and I think about that a lot, but the point is that folks don’t want to tell the government anything. They will go as far as intentionally obscuring truthful data if they think that it will give them a shred of liberty. Some people will do it just to give the democrats/republicans a middle finger. Doesn’t help public policy. How many people would lie about if they were actually at risk if we tried to implement a nuanced policy? The gods honest truth is that this disease is not easy to detect. It’s not easy to find symptoms. It has lasting health effects that are significantly worse than the vaccine. It randomly hits some demographics that we could not predict. And we don’t know everything about it. The worst part about this whole thing is that the vaccine didn’t end up providing nearly the protection from spread we were hoping it would. The only reasonable public policy decision is to include everyone, or the vast majority of society, because we have no realistic way for the government to comb through your records to say that you aren’t at risk based on limitations of privacy and manpower. Not to mention the exponential increase in work for almost no population benefit. Idealism is no reason to nitpick public policy that, by and large, does good for the public. Just like how I shouldn’t waste everyone’s time signing a waiver for my PFA to get my half marathon to count - I should just run it.

It wasn't until now that I realized just how far left wack a doodle you really are. Your argument boils down to "just take the pill citizen unless YOU can prove harm." Do you put on your Chairman Mao button-down grey jacket when you type these manifestos? Seriously your beliefs are absolutely freighting. In essence...screw Bob! I, like may others, had some nasty side effects from both vaccines, I was down for almost 48 hours the first time and 36 hours the second...too bad Bob, you have full immunity but you gotta feel like shit for a couple days so the leftists feel better about themselves. Seriously are you really in the U.S. military? You allude to his political beliefs when you can PROVE he will have no harm. I should think that with your thinking we should immediately ban tobacco, alcohol and red meat. Lets have the government issue everyone vegan cud....its for the greater good right? Your "we have made other vaccines like this argument" is beyond flawed. mRNA vaccines have been theory for 30 years, practical for a few years but even the most favorable medical literature says we don't fully understand the long-term effects.

Because the Afgahn refugees are using the established legal process in applying for asylum. The economic migrants entering on the southern boarder are doing so illegally, and/or exploiting loopholes in the asylum process to remain indefinitely.

To address the arguments related to COVID hospitalizations and statistics: If I were to argue that the numbers have been manipulated to serve a desired end, instead of an appropriate end, would you immediately call it conspiracy theory? You'd be half correct. Here is video evidence of hospital staff conspiring, but it's not a theory. Is this the process by which other hospitals generate their COVID numbers? I don't have the answer, but the probability is not zero. Despicable. These are the numbers people rely on to generate an appropriate response, and they're being f'd with. The video: https://twitter.com/speaakn2/status/1436553883829121030?s=20 An article that provides some context and an insufficient explanation by the hospital: https://www.wbtv.com/2021/09/10/novant-health-issues-statement-leaked-internal-discussion-covid-19-patient-numbers/

Didn't even attempt to answer the last question. The more the administration evades answering concerns like these the more suspicion people will generate that something is being hidden from them. What are we to make of this? Refugees from Afghanistan were required to be vaccinated when processed so I'm told. They received MMR, polio and COVID if they didn't have it. So why is that policy not applying to refugees from the southern border? What people who are pro vaccine mandate don't understand is that this isn't an issue about safety or efficacy it's an issue about trust from an administration that is historically opaque and evasive with its intents.

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yeah don't get me started on our healthcare system (red button topic in my household). To wit, the inability to retain capacity surplus in this Country due to that abhorrent just-in-time supply model applied to for-profit healthcare delivery, is one of our epic national embarrassments (military adventurism is the other one, but I digress on that). My RN wife has healthcare friends all over the region and out of state, and the anecdotes on the group chat are appalling. Even in our current location, the transfers gridlock kerfuffle is absolutely in your face, and it really underscores the second tier effects to non-covid admittances. But it comes down to the profit motivations. We can't scale surplus capacity to save our lives. Automotive supply chain economics applied to healthcare is not a bug, it's a feature as you point out. That's how you end up with layoffs in the non-covid floors, and an Afghan Defense Force amateur level of inability to address a shortage in staffing/ICU/ECMO capacity. May the odds be forever in our favor. And as to those who believe in the canard that we're NOT having people die in America in triage, wake the f up. We've been doing that for a while. And people still talk about govt death panels like it's some sort of libertarian p@wn? LOL yeak ok, 6 of mine, your half a dozen.....

Fake news...the best pilots in the AF are already in the ANG/AFRC. Plus they're not quiting over the vax. Awesome source though.

Disregard original post; confirmed w ER doctor.

So you're mad that more generals didn't resign in protest because you don't like the political decision that the elected president made?

That's an odd choice of words to highlight in a thread about tyranny while advocating for forced vaccinations.

Hold up, Doctor Abortionology. It is useful. Where did you get those two numbers? Did you make them up? What's all this black and white talk? I was curious as to your arbitrary delineation between "person/not-a-person" and produced this link within 5 seconds: 21 weeks. https://www.ndtv.com/offbeat/worlds-most-premature-baby-who-holds-guinness-world-record-celebrates-first-birthday-2469034 You did seem to indicate you had a deep personal interest in the subject and yet still didn't know the actual fetal viability timeframe. You drew the line, not me. It begs the question: Do you use the same moral calculus that tells you it's okay to terminate a fetus at 23 weeks... to justify telling someone else what you can force them to inject into their body? If so, it must be quite the empowering feeling. I bet it feels good. Neg, I know what I'm doing. I drug you into the abortion debate because I knew you couldn't produce an answer without saying something dumb. And that's okay. We all do it. It's also okay to admit there isn't enough information available to tell someone else what they must be forced do with their body.

My wife has a uterine horn birth defect where they are so split that they can host individual pregnancies. While both can become pregnant, only one can actually host a viable pregnancy. Carrying a pregnancy in the small, messed up horn, doctors estimated, would result in a 50% chance of 2nd to 3rd term miscarriage, a greater than 50% chance of birth defects, and a 15-20% risk of death for my wife. My wife got pregnant twice in the wrong horn. We made the choice to terminate those pregnancies before 12 weeks. Were those moral failings? Or was the correct move to force her to carry those children to term with the risks stated above. I would love for you to address those specific instances.

As someone who was similarly disqualified from an AF FC1 but who has held an FAA Class 1 since 2016, no, nobody in the AF cares. It makes no sense, it is frustrating as hell, but IMO the AF is looking for every reason to tell you no, whereas the FAA seems to only care if you meet the standard or not. My buddy was also permanently DQ’d by Wright Patt for a condition that they contradicted themselves on in the paperwork (no joke, they said it is not a rapid onset condition but we’re worried about sudden loss of eyesight), while a civilian ophthalmologist said he would absolutely not suffer a sudden loss of sight and should be qualified. Welcome to dealing with AF medical… I’m honestly a bit jaded, if that’s not obvious, but it’s the Air Force’s loss. They created this mess and keep turning away otherwise highly qualified people who would gladly give them another decade of service on the cockpit. I’m going to take my talents (and my FAA Class 1) and fly for somebody else. If I were in your shoes, I’d look at doing the same. The regionals are throwing six figure bonuses at people…the regionals! It’s a pilot’s market out there right now. Go find your opportunity!

Don’t mind me, just checking in to see if this three way circle jerk of an argument is still going on….oh, it is? Ok, continue 🍿🍿🍿

Here's a typical example of doublethink where morality fits you when you like. This one actually plays directly into the abortion debate that helped get us here. I sincerely hope that you, and anyone else claiming to have moral issues with how the vaccine was created, never used any of these drugs (I am 100% certain you have, as you're in the military and have been vaccinated):

Horrific argument. (Sorry, I had to) I agree with your premise that you can’t force everyone to take something that will cause harm, but you have to prove the harm. There is almost no proof of any significant harm that the vaccines have or will cause. And they have done significant studies to make sure of this. If they don’t cause harm, how does your argument fare? Also your example does not follow your logic. Your logic you initially postulated was, simply: “If forced harm, regardless of magnitude of harm, then unethical” But the example you provided was “If unnecessary, then unethical” If Bob goes to get his unnecessary vaccine and it doesn’t hurt him, but it helps society in that they don’t have to hire and pay both money and time for 69000 medical waiver reviewers to trudge through paperwork, then it was an overall benefit with no harm. Other than Bobs political feelings. Oh by the way, that’s why I run the 1.5 miles. Because it doesn’t cause harm. If the PT test was actually a life expectancy altering event, then I would absolutely call it a moral question to unnecessarily require people to get it. There are a few counter arguments that I am expecting: 1) haven’t you seen the study on teen male myocarditis? Yes, see the other thread. The study is flawed. There is actually a minor increase in lymph node swelling and cardiac events for society that is being monitored, but those studies resulted in small numbers with huge confidence intervals. Also, they showed about 10 benefits of the shot that were not advertised, but I digress. 2) How do you know that it won’t give us all lasting side effects in 5-10 years? Because that has never happened before, similar vaccines have been created and have been studied, and virtually all side effects for a vaccine show up within two months. Prove that it can happen. https://www.muhealth.org/our-stories/how-do-we-know-covid-19-vaccine-wont-have-long-term-side-effects If you say Anthrax, be prepared to refute this claim: “While recent studies have demonstrated the vaccine is highly reactogenic,[51] and causes motor neuron death in mice,[52] there is no clear evidence or epidemiological studies on Gulf War veterans linking the vaccine to Gulf War illness. Combining this with the lack of symptoms from current deployments of individuals who have received the vaccine led the Committee on Gulf War Veterans' Illnesses to conclude that the vaccine is not a likely cause of Gulf War illness for most ill veterans.“

And if you wanna take this offline - me and my wife have had 2 abortions for unplanned high risk pregnancies after contraceptives failed. So go ahead and judge me however you wish. (This is where I got my PhD, they give them out at the Doctor after you pay)

Oh yeah? Well since we’re on the internet, I thought you should know about my PhD in Abortionology, so really you shouldn’t talk about that anymore until you get back to school.

Jesus help us— I mean Fauci help us. There is only one truth— the CV19 Vaccine. It is for EVERYONE. There are only two groups in this world, the vaccinated (pure) and the unaxxed (unclean). There is only one way to save lives!

Completely unrelated. The Navy FIRES offensive coordinator for LOSING to the Air Force. They can't do that, can they? https://theathletic.com/news/navy-fires-longtime-offensive-coordinator-ivin-jasper-after-0-2-start-reports/SJ7wv1p3OpUn

deuce.

I was just pointing out that your entire argument was lifted from the first comment on the link I posted. Please don't pretend you put on your internet sleuthing hat and searched it out. Minor critique.It really doesn't matter What does matter is that I apparently didn't prove my point that vaccines present an increased heart problems risk to your satisfaction with the link I provided. So you went and found another link, that you like better, that says vaccines present an increased risk of heart problems. Ok. You win. Uh, Thanks?

And your response, inability to address my thought out response, and ultimately you topping it off with this self righteous quote reminded me of an old favorite: “Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge.” See also: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

I did. Apparently it's "normal" and means the vaccine is "working". Haven't gotten my second shot yet. I was supposed to get it a week ago, but have been on the road with my airline job and have put it off a bit. I have been a little leary about the second since it is supposedly worse than the first one. Looks like the ANG deadline is 2 Dec to be fully vaccinated. What's creapy is that Walgreen's system updated ASIMS for me automatically. Didn't know they were linked somehow.

That's a little disconcerting. Did you ever find out why? I recommend googling "swollen armpit lymphnodes" extensively to see what conditions could cause this. You know... conditions that might have developed after getting the vaccine. Purely coincidentally, of course.

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They are all hanging it up. To be fair, 3 of them were over 20 anyhow. The 4th has met his original commitment, but well short of 20, and 2 years into an airline career. Super well respected and a natural leader, so his departure is going to make some people stop and think. The 5th guy, I'm not sure of his circumstances. Leadership shrugs. They're all Techs and AGRs and content to punch a clock if nothing else. The SQ had already become a revolving door for AD folks clamoring to get out and bum at the Guard, saying they're going to "make a career of it". They soon find out it's just Active Duty Light, so they quietly work to get their real job, then go non-current, and leave shortly thereafter. So, the shot was just another drop in the bucket of grievances that was already full for most.

I know what the approval level has been the last 10 years - the CFACC. Do you have any reason to believe it’s different? If anything, it might be higher based on the politics, but I doubt it. I also have intimate knowledge of standard ROE over the last decade, as do probably a lot of people on here - maybe even you. Also, being in the targeting cell at the CAOC in the last 5 years should give me some credibility to understanding the process of how intelligence is supposed to go to targeting to make an informed risk based decision. There is a difference between a standard strike and one that is primarily political, I.e. this one. It’s similar to the multiple Syria strike packages ordered by Obama and Trump. This is a strike while we’re trying to literally withdraw from a theater. This should 100% not escalate our retreat - should it not be held to a higher standard? I believe that there is a better place we can get to than to never hold the military responsible because “war is messy.” And that is coming from someone who has prosecuted attacks with multiple CIVCAS. Some of those were good and could be argued to be “worth it.” But some of them were f’d and should have had someone be accountable. To complete the argument, people’s heads should be cut off occasionally when things get fd. They should have been for the last 20 years.

You don't know who signed off on the strike, or what the approval level was, or what the ROE was, or what the intel was, or anything really. You're looking at an outcome and demanding... something. What, a public debrief and root cause analysis? War is messy, innocent people die, mistakes are made, people do horrible things. This has always been. There is no fancy all knowing technology that will make it something else. There will never be a process that will satisfy a libertarian sense of due process prior to engagements. It will always be fucking terrible. The answer is to not engage in it when it isn't absolutely necessary. I'm not saying accountability and transparency isn't important, or that simple admission that a mistake was made (when a mistake was made) isn't the ethical thing to do. I'm saying the urge to cut off people's heads says something about the people demanding it as much as the act that draws the mob's ire.

Okay, give it 24 hours. If it's still looking like a free pr0n site by then, try clearing cache.

Somebody should be held responsible, though. Probably the CFACC who signs off on those targets. Why not? Or if it was a clear intelligence failure, hold them responsible. I guarantee the ROE is to limit CIVCAS to the minimum extent practical - let's get a debrief on what went wrong. The American people deserve it. Never holding leadership accountable will result in generals that skirt responsibility and never take blame for anything that goes wrong - what we have right now.

Israel’s rate of hospitalization and ICU admittance has shown that vaccinations 100% work, resulting in a huge improvement for the vaccinated population. Your statement = base rate fallacy. I would love for you to read and internalize this example of numerous similar analyses that I am going to include below. This one is actually pretty easy to follow. After that, you’ll be able to better understand how statistics have been presented to you incorrectly, and, therefore, you can then recognize where you have regurgitated some misleading statements. But let me guess. Nah? https://www.covid-datascience.com/post/israeli-data-how-can-efficacy-vs-severe-disease-be-strong-when-60-of-hospitalized-are-vaccinated I know you personally want to enforce your personal will on women and men everywhere and dream of creating a handmaid state, but Roe v Wade is not a relevant comparison to this discussion about public health. I would say make another thread, but please for the love of god do not. Also, while Texas has been successful in legalizing a religious citizen police cyber snitch state (congrats), almost all legal analysts believe that if a case was ever actually brought to trial it would be ruled unconstitutional. Also want to remind you that 2/3s of Americans do not support that law or restrictions on abortion. Citing nit picked Lawfare that clearly hasn’t finished as an example of how everything else can be overturned is not a good argument. You could make even more outrageous claims. Go ahead and say that since slavery was overturned, legal precedence doesn’t matter anywhere. Anything can be overturned, so therefore I can argue anything is unconstitutional! In fact, you disagreeing with me on here and spreading misinformation intentionally is illegal! It’s unconstitutional! It hasn’t been up to the Supreme Court yet, but it will be, you just wait! The data is correct. Thanks for recognizing. Your “99.9%” data is bullshit misinformation that makes you feel good - go ahead and admit that and we can get back to the adults table. Tell me what other minor transmissible illnesses result in 10-30% of the sick population having medium and long term effects. The onus is on you now to prove my actual scientific statistics don’t matter. But, let me guess? Nah? Instead, you’d rather deflect and argue that everyone who died was unhealthy, instead of also realizing that a ton of fat, old, unhealthy people have been protected by the vaccine. Most states have already declared a state of emergency. The nation is there. That actually empowers most governments more than you would like. Hospital ICUs are entirely full. And now the majority of people support a common sense vaccination and restrictions. Gotta love a republic/democracy. But let me guess. Nah?

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/treatment-tests-and-therapies/recovering-from-surgery--intensive-care

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10000% shack. You’re completely right about the long term phased planning. And then add at least 20% to every quantifiable metric (especially time). The other thing that absolutely drives me bananas with air power experts is that when the ground force commander says something, they just go “okay”. NO! Offer the realistic answer and tell the truth. The GFC is just some guy the same way we all are and they aren’t infallible. It’s almost like we’ve got people that are afraid to tell ground folks they can’t do something. There’s a difference between a Ranger digging deep to keep moving through physical exhaustion to reach an objective and an airplane running out of gas. Flip side of that is find a way to “yes” and don’t hide behind interpretive rules to say no to everything. If there’s a T-3 waiver needed for mission accomplishment and you can do it, get that guy on the phone and get it waived. Sorry for the rant. This topic gets under my skin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRkP-rplNjs

Fetal viability outside of the womb. Anywhere from 24-28 weeks. Not that that information is going to be useful for this discussion. You're entitled to your opinion. I'm entitled to believe that sperm+egg equaling life immediately is the dumbest shit I have ever read on this website. Is it dumb because it shows a black and white argument is dumb? Mission accomplished, brosef.