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https://fox59.com/news/hundreds-turn-out-to-honor-corporal-humberto-sanchez-during-hometown-procession/ One of the 13 heroes come home today via Grissom ARB. 1000s (not an exaggeration) of motorcycles in the procession. It took hours to transfer Corporal Sanchez to his home in Logansport because the streets were lined with people paying their respects. He was 22. And he was a patriot.

To some degree, especially after spending time at Cannon, one of the reasons we went full filtered spring water for all drinking and cooking. Although I think the history and study of fluoride is a far more established science with many years of study. Again, I am not anti-vax...I got the vaccination, so did my wife and ultimately we elected to have our teenager vaccinated. However, WE made that decision as a family. How far do we go with government directed health care? For the greater good shouldn't we all give up red meat, smoking, alcohol?

Of the over 600k abortions a year in this country, how many fall under that or other rare instances like that? Carveouts where there is risk like that is one thing, and I don’t know many people who would be opposed to abortion in those circumstances. But using statistically rare circumstances like that to justify mass murder of innocent babies, most of whom don’t fall into rare medical circumstances, is ludicrous. Also, I know you said "before" 12 weeks, but 12 weeks seems like a pretty long time to make the decision, with significant fetal development occurring by that time… “the fetus is now fully formed, with all of the organs, muscles, limbs and bones in place.” It’d be tough for me to murder a baby at that point. But I understand the counter argument of risk to the mother. Not judging. Haven’t been in that situation.

Almost like it doesn’t matter what human intervention we take….the rates change due to seasonality regardless of bullshit business closures, idiotic masking of healthy people, and vax rates…..hmmmmmmmmm

Lloyd: Hey, you awake? 🍆 🍑 Me: Yes! SOOO BORED! 😜 Lloyd: Cool. Go get your COVID vaccine. Me: F*ck.

It wasn't until now that I realized just how far left wack a doodle you really are. Your argument boils down to "just take the pill citizen unless YOU can prove harm." Do you put on your Chairman Mao button-down grey jacket when you type these manifestos? Seriously your beliefs are absolutely freighting. In essence...screw Bob! I, like may others, had some nasty side effects from both vaccines, I was down for almost 48 hours the first time and 36 hours the second...too bad Bob, you have full immunity but you gotta feel like shit for a couple days so the leftists feel better about themselves. Seriously are you really in the U.S. military? You allude to his political beliefs when you can PROVE he will have no harm. I should think that with your thinking we should immediately ban tobacco, alcohol and red meat. Lets have the government issue everyone vegan cud....its for the greater good right? Your "we have made other vaccines like this argument" is beyond flawed. mRNA vaccines have been theory for 30 years, practical for a few years but even the most favorable medical literature says we don't fully understand the long-term effects.

This might be the worst post I've ever read here, only because of how insidiously dangerous this mindset is. Yeah, war is messy. But this war wasn't messy for over 2 years, and really it wasn't messy for quite a bit longer than that. This war was very very clean, to the point where you can't even really call it a war anymore. But it suddenly became very messy because of the idiotic desires of the president (and his predecessor) and the bureaucracy that enabled them to fuck this up. Under Trump a couple high-profile generals resigned because of this idiotic desire to return to isolationism. Where were the resignations under Biden? It is inconceivable that the military hierarchy did not know this was going to happen. Anyone who has been deployed there over the last two decades knew that this would happen if we left, so where are the high-profile resignations? Where are the generals falling on their swords in an attempt to prevent bloodshed? Instead we get an airstrike as a consolation prize, a wishful distraction by an administration that is fucked up so royally even an incredibly accommodating press can't help but push back on their lies. If you don't lose your job over a fuck up like this, then you are essentially advocating for a system that has no accountability.

Almost like applying a universal vaccine mandate for everyone, everywhere as if they were all being affected the same doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Complete bullshit. You don't have first hand knowledge of this. You are merely repeating what people with an obvious agenda want you to repeat. Where did you get the information that says if you suggest there are potential long term side effects, that you are scientifically and historically illiterate? You believe it. What's your basis? As @ClearedHotand @FLEA have said, this is an mRNA vaccine. No other vaccine you have ever taken was an mRNA vaccine. Why are you using data from those to make uniformed generalizations about this one? They work on the body differently. They are two distinct categories of substances. But what is a vaccine? The CDC, and now dictionaries, are changing the definition of what the word "vaccine" has been for decades, to further confuse and obfuscate what this one is a supposed to do, because it doesn't do what vaccines traditionally have. They're actually changing what words mean to further this BS you've bought into. Today: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm Aug 26, 2021: https://web.archive.org/web/20210826113846/https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm The mRNA technology was invented by Dr. Robert Malone. Is he scientifically illiterate? If you're trying to be intellectually honest and want to genuinely know the truth, please listen to this podcast with Dr. Malone, evolutionary biologist Dr. Brett Weinstein and Steve Kirsch. I can't embed it here because it was censored from Youtube for challenging the narrative. It's an hour long. The original Dark Horse Podcast is 3.5 hours if you really want to educate yourself. I did it over the course of a few days driving. If you're really short on time, start at 35:30. This substance is ending up in high concentrations in tissues (such as ovaries) and other parts of the body where it is not supposed to be, so yes, there is a potential for long term complications. If you want to argue that fact, just please educate yourself first, and don't accuse people of being illiterate because they have listened to, and found credence in, both sides of the debate instead of just yours. https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/censored-dark-horse-podcast-bret-weinstein-robert-malone-inventor-mrna-vaccine-technology/

1.) We can't compare COVID vaccine to other vaccines. It's fundamentally different in chemical structure. 2.) When people talk about long term side effects they are not talking about suddenly waking up sterile one day. They are talking about more nuanced manifestations. Example: over a 10 year study people who had the Moderna vaccine were twice as likely to develop lung cancer. The problem is, the low risk of COVID means that even a low to moderate risk of a nuanced event like this negates the morality of the vaccine.

The cool part about predicting long term vaccine side effects is this: for some people those effects will manifest in the short term, so we can use that to determine if and what the long term effects will be. There are no vaccines that exist for which there are long term effects that randomly pop up after a few years, which didn't originally manifest in the short term in some recipients. In summary, if you are worried about some 10 year-later infertility side effect from the covid shot, you are worrying about nothing. With billions of doses already administered, statistically significant infertility would have already manifested in some people if it was ever going to be a long term problem. The same applies for any other side effect. The idea that previously undocumented side effects are likely to show up decades down the road is both scientifically and historically illiterate.

I agree with you to a degree, Trump was absolutely correct to get us out…the incompetence that plagues the DOD sat on their arses and never discussed a NEO strategy until it was too late. Biden is too decrepit to understand nuances but the CJCS and the DOD should’ve seen this coming and had a branch plan ready to execute. While Afghanistan was always doomed to be a disaster, we didn’t have to leave thousands of Americans behind with no exit plan.

Oh cool so now we can argue Covid AND abortion in this thread. If you’ve made more than 2 posts in this thread suggest you stop wasting your time. The other side isn’t listening or changing their opinion.

That's an odd choice of words to highlight in a thread about tyranny while advocating for forced vaccinations.

Dude you sound nothing short of insane in your last 6-9 post. But if I'm understanding you correctly you only believe a right to bodily autonomy exist when it fits your moral narrative and not others? Did heaven ordain your benevolence or did you just decide yourself you were a god?

Congratulations you have posted the dumbest shit I have ever read on this website.

Did I say that? You have no nuance or critical thinking everything is either hard right or left. God damn man no one holding your POV can explain the fucking data. Ironic because y’all SCREAM “follow the science”

South Korea 99% mask rate. what’s wrong pawnman!?

Apologies for contradicting the podcast gospel. Believe it or not, I'm actually tracking as well. I too have a phone with a spotify subscription and listened when these two went on rogan last week. My point was never that there are no side effects, or no long term side effects of the covid vaccine. There are. They are already documented and the data set on them grows every day. But they are also exceedingly rare. And most importantly, they are much, much rarer than the documented side effects of the actual disease. My point (really the CDCs point) is that long term effects typically don't manifest out of nowhere if they hadn't already manifested in the short term. This holds true across a wide variety of medications and vaccines over decades and decades of study. I did not invent this idea. Now you are right, the covid shot is an mRNA vaccine and is the first of its type. So maybe that means it's such cutting-edge voodoo witchcraft that it goes against all prevailing medical wisdom and us lemmings are all going to develop ass cancer out of nowhere in 20 years. Or.. probably not. In the meantime, my risk analysis tells me that I need to be concerned about things that actually exist in the here and now, rather than future hypotheticals.

So just to be clear, it's unlikely your 11R functional will prevent you from applying to the U-2 since they manage both positions. However, they can and will deny you approval to apply to other for hire programs depending on manning. Additionally, as @Sua Sponte mentioned, getting into the programs is not an automatic. Your skill has to match your desire. Truth is, not everyone is a phenomenal pilot.

I'm confused, so just placed this in two of my favorite threads...

Well ain't that some shit. https://www.newsweek.com/members-congress-staff-exempt-biden-covid-vaccine-mandate-1627859 Rules for thee...

I did, but it was something about my car’s warranty being expired so I didn’t text him back.

So you're mad that more generals didn't resign in protest because you don't like the political decision that the elected president made?

I don’t respect your opinion. Only one of these two opinions causes death. There are other ways to responsibly not have children.

Don’t mind me, just checking in to see if this three way circle jerk of an argument is still going on….oh, it is? Ok, continue 🍿🍿🍿

Here's a typical example of doublethink where morality fits you when you like. This one actually plays directly into the abortion debate that helped get us here. I sincerely hope that you, and anyone else claiming to have moral issues with how the vaccine was created, never used any of these drugs (I am 100% certain you have, as you're in the military and have been vaccinated):

Fetal viability outside of the womb. Anywhere from 24-28 weeks. Not that that information is going to be useful for this discussion. You're entitled to your opinion. I'm entitled to believe that sperm+egg equaling life immediately is the dumbest shit I have ever read on this website. Is it dumb because it shows a black and white argument is dumb? Mission accomplished, brosef.

No, I can't say that I have ever though about life beginning before conception. But if I were the type of ridiculous person to contemplate such BS to divert attention from my inability to produce an answer to a very direct question, I might speculate it to be in the hundreds of billions, and in dozens of countries around the globe. But anyway, what is your "certain number" and "certain point" you earlier alluded to?

Didn't even attempt to answer the last question. The more the administration evades answering concerns like these the more suspicion people will generate that something is being hidden from them. What are we to make of this? Refugees from Afghanistan were required to be vaccinated when processed so I'm told. They received MMR, polio and COVID if they didn't have it. So why is that policy not applying to refugees from the southern border? What people who are pro vaccine mandate don't understand is that this isn't an issue about safety or efficacy it's an issue about trust from an administration that is historically opaque and evasive with its intents.

Horrific argument...there is a HUGE difference between running laps to save time and forcing someone to get a vaccine that may cause harm. For the record, I believe in the vaccine, I got it X 2. That being said I thought we were supposed to follow the science? Saying that having a nuanced policy is too idealistic is a terribly lazy argument. We put 10 men on the moon, I think we can figure out a science based approach to vaccination. INHO there should be exceptions and I will use my friend "Bob" as an example. He and his wife both had COVID and are in an antibody study at the University of Houston. His wife's test results show her N series is at 29.6. His is at 123. Her spike protein was 638, his is over 2500. Both N & S are off chart. First of all neither one of them need the vaccine, second, where is the science on how people like this are impacted? If the Clown in Chief is pushing his policy that is the best for everyone, why do illegals get a pass?

This one was more fun than the last ones. Make sure to pass this message on to whoever sent you the study! Did you know that teenage boys around the age of 15 actually normally have Cardiac Adverse Events (CAEs) at a rate of ~140/million without any shots whatsoever? I didn’t either, but it’s true. If you look at females age 13-15, they’re at just about 25/million (this is higher than the COVID study lol). That puts the study’s incidence rate at… just about normal. TLDR this study does not present any evidence that COVID vaccination has any effect on standard CAE rates for adolescents. https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/JAHA.116.005306 The authors of your quoted study never do what’s actually important: compare CAE rate of unvaccinated boys to CAE rates of those that got vaccines. Instead he compares potatoes to tomatoes and looks at CAE rates of boys with the vaccine compared to the chances they have a reported COVID hospitalization. Those logically are not an actual good scientific comparison. If he actually wrote this study fairly, it would say “CAE rates of vaccinated boys aged 12-15 are roughly similar to the unvaccinated population.” Here’s the graph from the study on baseline CAE rates: Or, the top commenter on your linked study more eloquently said: “Arola et al. show that the incidence of myocarditis is in the vicinity of 140 per year per million boys aged 15 (in girls, and other boys, the incidence is roughly an order of magnitude smaller). By neglecting the prior probability of myocarditis in all persons, not just those being vaccinated, the authors render their conclusions completely untenable. In other words, while the risk of hospitalization from COVID in boys is arguably smaller than the risk from myocarditis, there is no evidence that vaccination status affects the myocarditis risk.“

Are there only two groups in the discussion? Unvaxed vs vaxed? How about children? How about previously infected people? How about people sub 40 who are healthy?Isn’t it weird how every issue boils down to one group vs the other— almost like the media is fueling division… The infection fatality ratio for children under 12 is 3500X less than those 65 plus according to CDCs best estimates https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html it just seems a little simplistic to boil it down to two group. Also we know the long term risk of smoking, do we know the long term risk of covid or the vaccine? No.

This is not a theory. Read this carefully. This is at our doorstep. Not from a fringe website. From The Atlantic. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/619940/

Moot.

If we have vaccinated people needing ventilators en masse… Something has seriously gone wrong, as the whole point of the vaccine is to at least prevent that outcome. Do we have any data showing such a hypothetical is even happening in small samples? How many vaccinated people are being hospitalized?

First, I apologize if it seemed I am being hostile and condescending. I know I'm being direct, but I'm trying not to make it personal. I've had this debate with a few friends and although we get charged up over it, we remain friends. I'm assuming your girlfriend is vaccinated. If so, what's the problem? Why do you worry? The specific issue in this debate that I might seem passionate about is the logical leaps one must make to justify actively taking one life in the belief you're saving another on the basis of vaccination status. You're talking about what kind of pants I'm wearing and open borders. Your argument is a mess. What is the goal of vaccines? Is it to create antibodies to fight COVID? If that is the result you are trying to achieve, why would you differentiate the method by which it was achieved? Again, I'm being direct. Don't take it personally. I often don't have time to disarm my language with delicate words and subtle suggestions. I don't think you're an idiot. CS Lewis, circa 1948:

Ok smart guy explain Sweden and Denmark? you’re also pretty fragile for giving neg reps to opinions you don’t like. Very navigator-esque of you! how much data do you need to see to admit you’re fucking wrong? Masks don’t work. Proven. Lockdowns don’t work. Proven.

Do you ever think about how every time you have had sex with someone using a condom or birth control, you intentionally denied life to a future human being? If we want to go down playing the heart strings of all life is precious, how many human souls have you, personally, failed?