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Self righteous high horsers like Prozac are the reason skepticism for the vaccine is so high. Insulting people to convince them to do something has never worked.

Thanks for responding, and I agree with the desire for better choices. I won't be holding my breath. I think a fairly large disconnect right now between Republican voters and Democratic voters is summed up nicely above. You can't see how Republicans aren't as horrified as you are about the occurrences on January 6th. But the truth of the matter is the Republicans have been horrified for quite some time, and January 6th was just the ultimate instance of what-about-ism. Democrats danced gleefully, rationalized, or at the very least looked the other way while dozens of cities in the US burned over the overt lie that police were massacring unarmed black people. A whole lot of well-intentioned but foolishly gullible liberals, and a whole second cohort of people who just wanted to burn something down, destroyed the livelihoods of small business owners, looted bigger businesses, and literally set fire to government buildings. Crickets. Major political figures, including the vice president, made statements that implied these rioters were in fact heroes. Go ahead and dig around now, it is almost impossible to find any prominent liberal figures who made unqualified condemnations of the riots. "Yeah, stealing is bad, but....." So by the time January 6th happened, for a lot of people like me who have no sympathy for Donald Trump losing the election that was absolutely his to lose, and no sympathy for the fools who bought into his narrative and stormed the capital, it doesn't jive that I'm supposed to lose my mind over what happened simply because it's the first instance of unjustified rioting that you or the Democrats are upset about. Welcome to the party. I've said this for 5 years, and in 5 years I've been proven wildly correct. Donald Trump was the response from conservatives to a political system that had become cartoonishly dishonest. And the imbalance in Washington and the media that covers it created an environment where conservatives were regularly characterized as evil, bigoted, backwoods, stupid, ignorant, racist, sexist, imperialist, redneck, hyper religious, anti immigrant deplorables. Objectively good men like George W Bush, Mitt Romney, and (after Trump was elected) Brett Kavanaugh were treated like reincarnations of Hitler. Kavanaugh was openly accused of being a gang rapist on the basis of zero evidence and quite a bit of counter evidence, so if you want to know where the final straw was from the conservative side, that was it for a lot of us. Now, and what I can only interpret as a tragedy for the country, the right has seemingly decided that if you can't beat them join them. The left doesn't seem particularly fond of their own medicine, and maybe with some time that will be what's needed for us to find a better way. But really this is just a long way of saying we agree on January 6th, but you've been ignoring all of the January 6ths that came before, and since I am not particularly fond of anything that has come out of Washington DC for many, many years, I don't see why I should be more upset that people vandalized the capital over when people vandalized the true lifeblood of this country, small business and entrepreneurialship (the icons of individual liberty and freedom) all while attacking the rule of law, another institution that sets us apart in the world.

Yeah we definitely disagree on the importance of the capitol. The BLM riots resulted in hundreds if not thousands of people's lives being ruined, and a few dozen being ended. The capital riots did substantially less damage, and overwhelmingly to the idiots who perpetrated it. I consider the government to be for the protection of the people, so if I have to choose between the the livelihoods of regular citizens in every major city, and the building that failed so spectacularly over the last few years to protect their interests, it's an easy choice for me. And while I get the argument that things are worse when they come from the president, I guess you and I also disagree on the sanctity of the presidency. In my lifetime every president has failed to live up to the standard we should expect. Whether it was Bill Clinton defiling an intern in the oval office, or Obama planting the seeds that have brought us to this new world of chaotic racial division, or everything Trump did publicly, I viewed Trump as merely the outward expression of the political disease that has infected Washington for a long time. And I think that's why they hated him so much. He looked the way they acted, and that was a threat to the very good deal they were all operating under for a long time. I also push back on the notion that the BLM riots didn't originate from a president. Those riots didn't start in 2020, they started in Ferguson years before (with another outright lie supported still to this day by the left), and we're well aware of who the president was at that time. He also had a funny way of not quite endorsing yet casually supporting a notion that was patently false and led people to riot. Very Trumpian of him. Like you said, it's very tribal now. I think liberals have had a very rosy view on political discourse because at the end of the day, until Trump no one was calling them evil for their mainstream beliefs on a national scale. Now the same bitter hate the conservatives have watched for a couple decades is going both directions. Part of me thinks that's a very bad thing for all of us, but maybe that's what it's going to take for both sides to realize that no one wins in this arms race of dishonorable behavior. And on a political level, Virginia proves that the Democrats have violated the only constant rule in American society. Don't fuck with my kids.

They're sleeping...check back tonight.

So you are upset about calls to murder the VP and Speaker. How exactly did you feel when celebrities were calling for Trumps death? Or was that not a concern? What about all the lunatics that stormed police precincts and government buildings across the US before that and the left said they were just “exercising their freedom of speech? Once again not a big deal? The largest issue with the country is we don’t hold the same standard across the board. The “it’s ok because it supports my cause or makes someone else look bad” is tearing us apart. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I left AAL for DAL to be home based. If you want to live in DFW, go AAL. If you want to stay DAL, move to one of their bases. Don't commute. You're welcome.

Do you throw an equally large shitfit when the flight doc prescribes you generic brand ibuprofen instead of Gucci name brand Motrin, or is your outrage limited only to hot button issues where dumb semantic games conveniently align with your political biases? Also, out of curiosity are you tracking any changes to the manufacturing, transport, and storage processes between the original EUA vaccine and comirnaty? And which ones in particular concern you? If you were actually able to get your hands on some holy grail comirnaty juice, would you take it?

You do realize the Antrax vaccine has been around for a long time, in it's earliest form the late 1800's. The Russians (not helping the argument), started giving it to humans int he 1930's, the U.S., to certain workers in 1940 and it was officially licensed by the FDA in 1970. Despite being a vaccine used to counter a bacteria, it still uses the same methodology and technology as virus based vaccines. I am not anti-vaccine, I got it after having a nasty time with COVID. That being said, mandating a vaccine based on new technology with what I think can all admit is a limited time period to examine side effects is a different animal all together. Honestly I thought Fauci was in a tough spot early on, working for Trump and trying to stick to science with trump as a press conference had to be a difficult experience. However, as it turns out Fauci is a complete fraud and a liar. From conflicting mask guidance, changing science on vaccine requirements and effectiveness to outright lies about gain of function testing and the origins of the virus, it is very clear there is a lot more to the story.

Wow. So much stupid in one post.

...meanwhile the cargo guys are too busy either buying their 4th house or out on their boat to answer this question...

You’re right. Their not the same. To use your analogy the 6 Jan event would be the shoplifter and from Mr Floyd’s death to current day in the false name of all the things they stood for is the murderer in your analogy as they actually murdered,looted,raped, and burned for an extended period of time in the name of their cause. I believe last I heard damages alone to insurance companies were 4 Billion just for the summer of 2020.

Dude, feel free to spam the thread. I don't think anyone here is gonna go - "Fuck pics of bad ass aircraft."

Why are you pro-mandate for the military? It is one of the least at-risk populations in the world.

Maybe he carved a bomb ass pumpkin?!

Yes, you did miss some something. Not too long ago the Air Force decided to post this Airman’s picture under the headline of “Diversity Makes Us Stronger”…not that he won some award, that he was doing great things in his job, helping out with the community, etc…literally just because he is a minority and that by that fact alone, he makes us a stronger force. And now we come to find that the same Airman was arrested for being involved with a murder. Now think of all the great Airman at Ramstein that were doing great things that weren’t highlighted by the Air Force…and who aren’t being arrested for heinous crimes. I don’t know if A1C Peralta was good at his job or not before his arrest, but the only reason the Air Force have to the public that they wanted to highlight him was for minority background…no other reason, and it turns out that he’s obviously not that great of an Airman. There are plenty of Airman, minority or not, doing great things that are worthy of PA posting their picture and telling us about them, and yet that’s obviously not what happened here. Still confused?

Another charge he should get is paying for that haircut.

Not to speak for @Prozac but I do want to clarify something. You can be pro-vaccine and debate people's reasons for refusing the vax without being pro-mandate. I'm extremely anti-mandate (for the civilian population) but still think the reasons I've seen in the thread for vaccine refusal are horribly misinformed. Honestly, refusing the vaccine simply as a middle finger to the mandates is a far better reason than the parade of semantics and copypasta I've seen here.

Am I missing something? What does the story with diversity (which happens to use this dudes photo) have to do with the murder? Have there been an increase in violent crimes by military members since we started this diversity push, years ago? Was there something in this dudes past that would have normally disqualified him for service but was overlooked in the name of promoting diversity?

The Most Anti-American Man in America By: Judd Garrett October 26, 2021 As we saw on display during his “town-hall” meeting on CNN this Thursday, Joe Biden is completely incapable as a President, and as a human being. If Joe Biden were not President, he would need 24/7 in-home care. He is incapable of taking care of the necessities of his own day-to-day life, much less running a country of 330 million, with the largest economy and the most powerful army. So, if he is not running the country, who is? It clearly is not Kamala Harris. She has been shipped to political Siberia. She is rarely seen and barely heard other than the grating echoes of her cackles. What we are witnessing on the big stage of American politics is “Weekend at Bernie’s” with a fluttering heartbeat. Joe Biden is making no decisions. He is doing nothing by himself. He is the stooge. This is not a defense of Biden for all the horrible decisions that “his” administration has made so far, but cognitively Biden is not capable of running this country. Someone behind the scenes is calling the shots. So, if it is not Joe Biden, who is running this country? Who decided to open the borders to millions of illegal immigrants? Who signed off on the disastrous Afghanistan withdrawal? Who is bringing in tens of thousands of unvetted, non-ally Afghans into America? Who is printing so much money that we’re on the verge of “hyperinflation”? Who shut down so many parts of our energy sector that we are no longer energy independent, and are back to relying on OPEC for energy? Who is pushing this divisive racial agenda which is tearing our country apart? Who is labeling concerned parents domestic terrorists? Who has weaponized the FBI against everyday citizens based on their political beliefs? Who? The person orchestrating all of this owns a mansion in the shadows of the White House. He is a power-hungry narcissist who is only concerned with implementing the far-left agenda. His name is Barack Hussein Obama. He lives within walking distance of the White House, and the vast majority of Joe Biden’s staff were in his administration. Who do you think those people are listening to, someone who they think is the next coming of the messiah or a cognitively impaired elderly man who doesn’t know what day it is, and just wants to be left alone to have his ice cream cone? America is not supposed to have a shadow government. Transparency of its leaders is a core principle. But Obama does not believe that principle should apply to him. In an interview reflecting on his time in the White House, Obama said his ideal setup as President would be, a “third-term… where I had a stand-in, a frontman, or frontwoman, and they had an earpiece in, and I was just in my basement in my sweats, looking through the stuff, and I could, sort of, deliver the lines, and someone else was doing all the talking, and the ceremony. I’d be fine with that.” Not only is that is a brief glimpse of what is happening in real-time, it exposed what an extreme narcissist he is, and how not only does he not understand the fundamental concept of our system of government, but he is hostile toward it. Obama’s vision of his ideal “third term” is him as an unaccountable king or a czar, someone who can’t be bothered to answer to the lowly people whose money he is spending, and whose lives he is controlling. He simply wants the people to shut up and comply with his dictates. Obama recently told Virginia voters who are concerned about teaching their kids Critical Race Theory, and the dangers of the radical gender ideology which caused a 14-year-old girl to be raped in Loudoun County, Virginia; “We don’t have time to be wasting on these phony, trumped-up culture wars, this fake outrage that right-wing media pedals… we should be doing more to support people who are educating our kids and keeping our neighborhoods safe.” That is a perfect illustration of what Obama does. He pushes an agenda that harmed a young girl and then blamed the people who objected to his agenda. He sets the building on fire and then criticizes the firefighters for flooding the building to put out the fire he started. Obama said nothing about keeping our neighborhoods and kids safe during the 5 months of riots in our communities in 2020, or when Democrat lawmakers were defunding the police. He didn’t care about educating our kids when he repealed school choice legislation as President. Does anyone remember back in 2006 or even 2007, before Obama, when black and white people actually got along? The time before every white person was characterized as a “racist” for simply being born white, and every black person was labeled a victim when people were people regardless of their skin color? What our country is transforming into is directly aligned with Obama’s Marxist vision for the world. Obama’s father was a Marxist politician in Kenya, and in his book, Dreams of My Father, President Obama wrote, “To avoid being mistaken for a sellout. I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist Professors and the structural feminists.” This is a very revealing passage about the man. Not only is he acknowledging his Marxist’s leanings, but he admitted that he embraced those radical ideologies, not on intellectual or rational grounds, but because he did not want to be viewed as a “sell-out”. His need to be accepted by other black people because of his father’s abandonment of him steered him to his radical Marxist ideology and is also the reason why he uses race and false accusations of racism into bullying people into compliance to the Marxist ideology because, as he admitted, that is what happened to him. And in alignment with his Marxist beliefs, Obama, when he was running for President, promised to “fundamentally transform” America. For someone who chooses his words as carefully and artfully as Obama, this was not a misstatement or an overstatement. It was exactly what he did while President, and is continuing to do in the shadows - “fundamentally transform” America. That should scare the hell out of every American. He didn’t say “restore America’s values” or “return America to its founding principles”. No, he said, “fundamentally transform.” He was not arguing that America lost its way over the last 200 years, and must rediscover the ideals of its founding; life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, equality, individual rights, constrained government. No, “fundamentally transform” was a direct assault on the fundamental values of America which are in direct opposition to Marxist ideology, and why Obama has to “fundamentally transform” America. What made Martin Luther King Jr so powerful, so effective, and so great for America is that he embraced the American founding principles, and used them as a mirror to show America where it had gone wrong. In many of his speeches, Dr. King repeated the words of our Constitution or Declaration of Independence back to his fellow Americans, to expose to America where we have failed to live up to our founding principles when it came to the black community. And he was absolutely right. He saw our founding principles as right and necessary for his cause of equal rights and freedom for black Americans. Dr. King believed the fact that we had failed to live up to those principles, meant it was the people, not the principles, who needed to change. Obama believes the exact opposite. He believes because America has failed to live up to its founding principles, it is the principles and the foundation of the country that must change. That is why these harmful policies that he has been orchestrating over the last 9 months are designed to tear America down to its studs, so he can “fundamentally transform” America, and rebuild it in his own image. Not only is Obama the most un-American man in America, but he may also be the most dangerous man on the planet. The record of history is very clear and very consistent. An unaccountable narcissist who controls the levers of power of one of the most powerful countries on the planet always ends up in major atrocities. And that is exactly what is going on behind the scenes at the White House.

Great post. I think the part we can't reconcile is that I see the comparison to the George Floyd riots as a false equivalency. It's just not the same. **Which is NOT to say it didn't matter or it was not a big deal. Criminal acts should be condemned. But not all criminal acts are the same. A murderer gets different treatment than a shoplifter. The Jan 6th disgrace came from the top. It was inspired by the POTUS. And it was such a bad lie, which is to say it was an obvious lie. In the lead up to 2016, Trump thought he was going to lose.... so the election was 'rigged.' Then he won and all the claims of fraud and rigging vanished. Weird. Then in the lead-up to 2020 he recycled the same nonsense. Except this time he DID lose and he felt he had to double down on it. Those idiots in the Capitol would absolutely not have been there if Trump had any dignity whatsoever and simply conceded. The looting and rioting in the name of George Floyd... and the Kavenaugh accusations..... no question... ridiculous. An outrage. But it didn't originate from the President of the United States. (How could it, since Trump was President at the time.) And those rioters didn't invade the Capitol, with Congress in session. Again, this is probably where we agree to disagree. That's fine. Riots are terrible and inexcusable, but the original question was about how Biden voters feel about their decision. "Still not Hillary" was a common response to point-out's of Trump's constant idiocy. But people on the hard right can't now understand the same sentiment from Biden voters? People often finish criticizing Biden by ending with the snarky: "but at least there's no mean tweets" zinger. It's so stupid. Try criticizing Biden and ending with: "but at least there's no gallows outside the Capitol and kevlar-wearing idiots on the senate floor rifling through senators desks while calling for the Vice President's execution." A little bit harder to make the sarcasm work in that example, isn't it? What I think we can agree on is that they're not mutually exclusive. You don't HAVE to support the Floyd riots and condemn Jan 6th. Or vis versa. You can condemn both. And I can see Bode's post that just popped up as I'm writing this: "What about.... what about..." Yes, terrible. We agree, Bode. Celebrities shouldn't call for the President's death and people shouldn't attack/ invade police precincts. We should be able to criticize Bush and Obama and Trump and Biden. Across party lines. For the things they've messed up that are objectively bad. And we should be able to praise/appreciate their successes. But, unfortunately, uncompromising tribalism rules the day. And voters must cast their votes according to their conscience, interests, and priorities.

Gross

Maybe it wasn’t an issue until the conspiracy nuts made it one?

Okay, the name is different but it's the same. Try using that logic and putting a part on a jet that is exactly the same but doesn't have a mil-spec and use the argument "it's the same, just the name is different" and see how that works for your career. If those two vaccines are the same, why do they not solve the problem by using the same name and make it official? Sure would solve a lot of issues.

5 year look is not in play, and probably won't be for quite a while until DOPMA is changed.

No, by the time I had taken those, they he actually been tested/in use for years/decades. This whole covid thing is a scam. And 70% of people are loving it and everything it has done to the world. we have a “vaccine” that mitigates symptoms for those who want it. That should have been enough. But this will never end until the collective WE, stand up. through this all, the rich have been made richer. The small biz population has folded. Governments have taken more authority. More division has been caused. All part of the plan, IMO.

If I recall correctly, 5 looks isn’t official yet and there is not a date it will be as of now, although they’re targeting a couple of years from now.

I didn't vote for Biden.

If “semantics and legalese don’t mean shit” then why didn’t the FDA simply approve Pfizer? Instead they approved Comirnaty, which the manufacturer tells us is chemically identical. Ok. But why not start making Comirnaty here? It’s one of several bizarre decisions that don't make sense to a casual observer… so we’re discussing it. On a discussion board. Yet here you are pissed off about people having a discussion. You are literally taking time to write on a discussion board that people should shut up and stop discussing😂 I don’t find your approach very convincing!

I tend to base my voting choice on how I think policies will affect me and my family, and to am extent, the country. I don't base my vote on the sexual escapades of the candidates.

The problem wasn’t becoming an anti-Trump Republican. The problem was that in becoming an anti-Trump Republican he hilariously took on lots of the traits of Trump himself, including tweeting epically dumb shit. His “you’re only a patriot if you fought in the revolutionary war” tweet probably taking the cake. He had an opportunity to take a level headed approach and provide a straight forward, no nonsense, conservative opinion, and instead decided he liked the instant gratification of likes on his tweets from people with TDS and appearances on left leaning talk shows. Go look at his Twitter now. It’s almost entirely shit talking Tucker Carlson and focusing on Jan 6th and Michael Flynn. Meanwhile there are serious policy issues facing this country, including an out of control border, massive inflation, supply chain crisis, that could really use some no nonsense leadership to solve and he refuses to talk about it. That is why this guy is a clown.

Being an anti-Trump Republican is about as opposite from "swaying with the winds" as is possible.

Apparently, the investigation substantiated that is is his fault.

Holy shit, how is it even possible to draw like that. I feel like such a talentless clown. I’d ask for a picture of bqzip’s mom, but I don’t think they make that many pencils.

KIO with this bullshit. You’re focusing on semantics and legalese that don’t mean shit. The Pfizer vaccine is approved and no longer experimental. Period. Dot. Quit acting like a toddler. If you don’t want the vaccine, fine. But man up and accept the consequences instead of being a whiny bitch.