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Tell me you don't know anything about this case or law enforcement without telling me you don't know anything about this case or law enforcement. For starters, as pointed out, he did not point or aim his weapon at anyone other than the people he shot. Second, as a cop, I'm not shooting the kid unless he threatens me or someone else with the weapon. It starts with loud verbal commands and escalates from there. It is not my job to judge whether he shot in self defense or not. Unless he's an active shooter (he was not), or threatening me or someone else (also not), there is no justification to use deadly force against him. Your take is bad and you should feel bad.

Yes, a completely accurate depiction of the scenario as it unfolded.

I had to go thru at least 6 news links before I found the name, but no pic. Look up the name, and finally got the mugshot. It's fucked up how much the medias hides certain details or pushes something hard. Out

It was wild how many on Twitter were saying "he'll just claim self-defense and walk away". Until it came out that the suspect was a black man...now there's practically no coverage.

https://babylonbee.com/news/communist-rioters-scream-and-run-away-in-terror-as-rittenhouse-emerges-from-courthouse

I think the root difference you may not understand is that most folks here don’t consider POSSESSION of a weapon to be a direct threat.

To be clear, vaccination does reduce the risk of hospitalization and death by on the order of 90%. I mean, check out the percentage of people who are vaccinated in Scotland - virtually everyone at risk/over 60. But you end up with 30% of hospitalizations and 15% of the deaths in the unvaxxed groups - which are extremely small portions of the at risk population. It’s not like 30% of the population is unvaccinated. Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-58548727.amp A better argument is that we have reached the point of diminishing returns with vaccines and should stop. We have protected the at risk population - CDC reports that 99% of those 65+ are vaccinated. And as has been pointed out, transmission isn’t effectively curtailed, so getting a relatively healthy 25-50 year old to take the shot doesn’t help the population almost at all.

The only victims were Kyle and the good people of Kenosha that had their city torn apart for made up protests in the name of rioting.

Anyone who is defending the people who caused a problem and attacked a kid who was there helping and made it obvious that he was (Alpharatz) should be ashamed of themselves. You can get a more clear case of self defense.

What victims? You can’t be a victim if you threaten to kill someone and then chase them, if you swing a skateboard at their head, or if you point a loaded weapon directly at their face.

A good article by the late Robert Dorr on "light attack" in the early turbine-powered years. https://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stories/the-a-37-dragonfly-in-vietnam/ Although based on the Tweet, it is quite a bit different despite what many believe. One of the guys in my UPT class did his 2nd assignment in the Dragonfly at Howard AFB, and was there when Operation Just Cause went down. Pretty cool that he got about 20 combat sorties shooting Willy Pete rockets at the Panamanian Guard. There is currently only one A-37B flying in North America.

Here’s the thing for me. They aren’t even trying to hide the lies anymore. Not at all. The examples are piling up. Kavanaugh, Russian collusion, all the COVID hypocrisy, Jussie Smollet, NASCAR nooses, Covington kids, hands up don’t shoot, etc. This one is one of the most egregious though. Starting with Jacob Blake, the riots and ending with Rittenhouse. I can’t understand, I mean I literally can’t understand, how or why any average American is falling for this stuff regardless of political leaning. It’s simple truth and facts vs blatantly obvious lies. And they double down on it over and over again This is how we got Trump, Jan 6th, the recent Virginia election results and what will be complete destruction of Democrat power in 2022. The pendulum is going to swing hard right in 2022. As it should. The left has hopefully had their moment and hopefully we survive it.

Kenosha is my home town and I know it well. BLM and etc jumped in to make a scene and others joined the fray and created chaos. Burn it down, they said. The asshole gov Evers, that piece of "gotta please the BLMers" shit, refused to send state help like the National Guard. So the people said screw that, I'm not letting them burn down my town and responded, and brought guns. And people are upset on a self defense verdict? That kid should have stayed home. Rosenbaum was looking for a fight and picked on a kid he thought was vulnerable, because that's what he's done most of his life, molest little boys. If Rittenhouse wasn't there, it probably have been someone else, the next youngest and vulnerable looking kid. And we would be reading about some other trial of someone that defended themselves against Rosenbaum. Skateboarder Huber should have summoned the police instead of attacking. Side note and I've mentioned it before, is that many of the businesses that were looted and burned, are owned by non-white people and serve poorer neighborhoods. Like this one below. Some rioters tried to loot a deli/convenience store near my grandparents house. The citizens heard it, and came out shouting. They scattered and the store survived with some door damage.

I think it's the MAJCOM/A3T that purchases the slots though and AMC just buys a lot more. So that's probably a big facet of it.

Shooting people for not wanting a mildly effective, yet no long term studies on side-effects or potential problems down the road for an injection that has to be repeated, apparently, ad infinitum. Not to mention these are the exact same tactics used by the BLM protestors, including during Dutch protests, and the authorities let 'em sweep on by with the arson and destruction. Yet being hesitant or resistant to said shot (note, it's not a "vaccine" by the scientific definition until Fauci said otherwise) gets you shot. Either way, the state ensures you get some sort of shot. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/police-netherlands-open-fire-covid-lockdown-protesters-european-nation-rcna6231 Seems legit...

What's the proportion of vaccinated vs unvaccinated people in the population? This data is useless without knowing what the vaccination rate is.

Are you speaking from experience?

The media is radicalizing Americans against each other for profit. It’s shameful

Yeah, I can tell that you looked at all the facts of this case…and with an unbiased mind. On 9/28/2021 at 11:30 AM, Alpharatz said: I sometimes wonder how many gun toting types have ever been in a situation to realize how little comfort carrying a gun gives you (or at least me)..That's why I have stopped recommending Horse dewormer and suggested using Pig tranquilizer..it works just as well for the bug (not at all) AND cools off any idea of invading the Capitol..or shooting someone..

It's pandemic of anti-vaxers! - Said USG.

Is he responding to loud verbal commands? What's the temperature/dew point? What's the weather at my alternates?

Perhaps not strictly for this forum but spare some thoughts for our fallen brother. A lot of us could be there soon. https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2021/11/20/laughlin-air-force-base-identifies-student-pilot-killed-in-t-38c-mishap-friday/?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=Socialflow+AIR&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR3ORMNzwndIb4Rgt1CuqHMLV6mSfRkwFsBZ92HXlJ5NSLWE1XjLHPSsj2A

Is that an attempt at a comparison? Your example didn’t happen in the Rittenhouse case. He wasn’t pointing and aiming. And he did pass a lot of people without aiming, pointing, or shooting anyone after being attacked by the dude who was threatening him all night, trying to grab his weapon, chasing him who according to a Jury was breaking the law and got killed justifiably. Not too active shooter of him. A kid who was and had been supporting his community and the opposition just tried to manipulate a narrative against him to get a political win. What’s one good person’s life right when compared to 4 people who had committed over 40 crimes between them to include 6 time rapist and abuser of little kids. So what was your comparison again? You going to the race card next?

It is crazy to know that the selects are probably (mostly) selected at this moment. Been trying to apply for 4+ years now and finally got my app in so I’m grateful to be in the pool. Good luck to everyone!

I suppose they already know who has been selected. This is going to be a rough wait ahhhhh

I've tried answering that question for a long time. Since the Kavanaugh hearings. The voters' mindset I get, they just believed the lie they were told. But the people in that picture know they are lying. Why? I think it's because this has become the religion of the progressives. The dogma of power hierarchies and systemic oppression (that old friend, Marx), the original sin of slavery, and the requirement that you proclaim your faith despite what your lying eyes see. There are hymns (SJW vocabulary like antiracism, unconscious bias, systemic racism, white rage, whiteness, privilege), prophets and priests (Ta- Nehisi Coates, Ibram Kendi, Robin DiAngelo), tithing (political campaign donations), confession... The list goes on. And just how the Catholic Church reacted horribly to the enlightenment, and nearly every scientific discovery that even remotely challenged the church's narrative, the progressives *hate* anything that threatens the "perfect word" of their God: the evil and racist nature of the American system, in which there is no justice for the oppressed. That's why they hated Rittenhouse so much, and it's especially why they hated the Darren Wilson case so much, and why they completely ignored the Eric DeValkenaere case. The first case attacks the purity of the cause. If Kyle was justified, then that night in Kenosha really was a riot, not "mostly peaceful protesting" for black rights. The second case reminds us that cops are more likely to be killed by black people than black people are likely to be killed by cops. There are very few actual cases of cops killing unarmed black people on which to build this vision of wide-spread sport-hunting by the police of minorities; Michael Brown was a martyr turned villain. And the last case proves that there is infact justice for minorities in America. Once you accept that the people driving the progressive movement know the narrative they are promoting is false, it becomes a lot easier to predict the behavior. The things you focus on and ignore when protecting a lie are different than when protecting the truth. Gaslighting, straw men, ad hominem attacks, appeals to authority, false equivalency... All tactics to distract from a weak position. They have committed to the fundamental notion that America is broken and needs to be radically changed. Build back better, right? They want the "new America" but lack the justification, considering the wild success of the American experiment for *all* citizens. So they are just making it up. Now that they are committed, and their power is tied to that cause, what choice do they have?

I would say that I'm of the opinion that your comment is misplaced, not well thought out, unprofessional and poorly timed. But we can discuss it in the future when we actually have some facts about what happened, rather than hashing out opinions and speculation before we even know the names of those involved... people we share the uniform with... in this tragic and unfortunate mishap.

I’ll take that as directed at me. I see your point of view & I understand where you’re coming from. Try and understand mine: I, and many others are equally confused as to how a person who is willing to give their life to this country, and make all of the other sacrifices that come with military life, is not willing to accept a vaccine that is safe, effective, and the best tool we have (at the moment) to fight a disease that has killed almost three quarters of a million Americans. I know you aren’t selfish. I know that for most of you, military service is not just a “transactional relationship” (as alluded to by some of the more hardcore libertarian types here), but is truly service before self. But I soundly reject 99% of the objections out there. Religious objections, worries about long term side effects, efficacy arguments, and almost all the other “objections” simply don’t hold water. Getting a vaccination (and yes, probably at least a couple boosters) is the single most effective thing you can do to fight COVID. Regardless, I know you and most who serve are not selfish…..far from it, and I apologize for coming across as a self righteous asshole.

One. It goes out the hull to rain piss on France.

Looks like this thread has some rust to knock off. Curious if anyone could educate me on what the lifestyle and ops tempo are like for pilots currently flying H models in the Guard or Reserve? Questions include the below: -Deployment expectations? I've heard 4 months every two years. -What's the good, bad, and ugly with the plane/mission above and beyond what an average pilot would know about tactical airlift? -Is there a lot of ability to bum and/or pick up extended orders? -What kind of hours are guys logging on deployments? How about non-deployed across the year? -What is the FTU timeline and normal timeline for AC upgrade?

So you cited something that says scientists use emerging data to refine hypotheses? As in, scientists follow the scientific method? Cool, we're in agreement. Calling someone a sheep - tell me you're a Southwest first officer, without telling me you're a Southwest first officer. Question: do you wait for the CA to go on break before you "Let's go Brandon" on guard, or just do it at the gate? 😂

I guess another "mostly peaceful protestor?"

Ya took too long there Spike Buddy...the kid ran past and just shot another dude...what are your thoughts..ya only got a few seconds if that...Did he shoot in self defense? Was the second victim trying to defend himself ? In any case ya REALLY got to hurry up 'cause the kid just blew the bicep off ANOTHER victim...was it self defense? By who? quick now...Jeeze Spike Buddy...You got THREE victims and still haven't made a decision...A jury of 12 of your peers may be analyzing YOUR action..or lack of ..soon enough..