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It’s probably because they weren’t actually fully vaccinated. The majority of the ship only had 3 shots…you need at least 6-9 for full protection and to guarantee zero transmission.

How do you justify mandatory vaccination as the solution to this problem when ships that are 100% vaccinated are being taken out by mass illness?

A little levity...(and yes, I am aware of the misspelling. Not my meme!)

And that’s one of the ways throughout history militaries have been used to conduct atrocious actions against a group of humans. If someone advocates for black and white no questions/shut up and do as they’re told, they are part of the problem. Never have seen somebody with that mentality in the military do well at anything.

GTFO out of Omaha. We probably know each other. But if you have to commute to a regional, anywhere with a junior base of MSP, DEN or ORD. ORD has a ton of capacity because of AA and UAL hubs, Spirit and Frontier, a bunch of regionals, and to a lesser extent SWA to MDW. DEN has UAL and Frontier. Pinpointing the best regional to work for is extremely hard right now. They're all in the midst of doing everything possible to attract pilots. Air Wisconsin was considered one of the best 2 years ago, now they might not last beyond 2023 (hemorrhaging pilots and airlines getting rid of 50 seaters.) Republic was considered one of the worst because of pay, but is now one of the top choices. Haven't heard anything bad about SkyWest. But I can't stress how much being able to drive to work adds to the airline QoL. From sitting RSV at home, to being able to choose start and end times that don't involve coming in a day early and leaving a day late, not dealing with a crash pad or paying for hotels, to weather that cancels everything and you have uncomfortable calls with the Chief Pilot, to short notice Premium (150-300% extra pay) trips, to trip trading flexibility... Living in base is far superior. You are gone less, and make more money. I moved to DCA after getting out, and then to DFW during my mini-furlough. DFW offers permanent princess parking if you have various military medals, I haven't seen an employee parking lot since I moved here. It saves 15-25 minutes on the front and back half of every trip.

We are quickly headed towards a military that allows zero thinking. We are only allowed to be lemmings and blindly follow our “leaders”, no matter how flawed they are.

Agreed. Closing schools has been, and will continue to be just about the worst possible Covid mitigation policy for so many reasons.

When did SMs take an MRNA vax before? Also the do it for country attitude is IMO an appeal to emotion— ya know pandering to the insecure— ‘real men would roll up their sleeve’. there are no mental black flips required to see that storming a beach is directly related to the mission of the armed forces. It’s honorable, brave, and those men had big brass ones. where you loose people is when you say taking a vaccine is roughly equivalent to storming beaches. Bottom line is the vaccine doesn’t prevent transmission so how is this a selfless act anymore? How is this the honorable thing to do on behalf of the mission?— Especially, if you’ve had the rona (pre omicron) and now that the omicron is out it appears to be similar to the seasonal cold. Good news and Hope that remains true with more omicron data coming out. 1.) promote physical activity, and non-pharma low risk preventative measures 2.) get after early treatment 3.) acknowledge natural immunity 4.) avoid having policy that you yourself don’t even follow (I.e. everyone mask, just not me) 5.) tell people not to come to work if they are sick 6.) acknowledge that the military is at extremely low risk 7.) avoid false promises armchair session over. Easier said than done.

Oh gmafb! Refusing a direct order to get vaccinated (especially after you’ve already rolled up your sleeve for a phalanx of them) is HARDLY the same thing as looking the other way as your army marches an entire race of people into death camps. The constant comparisons to Nazi Germany/Stalinist Russia/etc. are laughable at best and highly offensive at worst and they make it hard to take any of your arguments seriously. What do you think leadership would’ve told some marine who refused to storm the beaches of Iwo Jima on religious grounds? Seriously, if someone was pulling this shit on any other issue, you’d call them out for the whiny, entitled bitches they are.

All United domiciles were available to new-hires in this morning's indoc class. Wait time to hold IAH, CLE, ORD, or DEN at United is presently zero minutes.

It is supposed to be briefed to the commander this week with the document being released next week unless it is delayed.

In this training climate, it's a swing and a MIF! Regardless of a hit or RBI or goal!

Bros, I just let google do its thing. I went in and tweaked the settings, so it should stop the "anchor" ads. The goal was to have just one ad in the same spot on every page (top right corner), but somehow the google monster went full auto. Should be fixed within an hour.

I bet there are those on this board that think yes, it was worth it and good riddance. The same people that applauds the degradation of the military in the name of inclusiveness, diversity,and equity. And it started at the top. Thanks fingers Goldfien! Science and diversity only matter as a verbal defense for stupid decisions not actually supported by true science or diversification. Enter Pawn or Prozac reply to why it is important to weaken our military and country in the name of Covid defense even after the great and powerful Fauci flip flops on society closure and requirements for those who get covid. Which is ok now because he has no defense for why those who do “everything right” per his instructions are still getting covid. His only defense is to pretend it’s new information and that people haven’t been saying don’t shut down society or make mandates for almost 2 years now.

No, you are misinterpreting. I acknowledge the tool in question has a disappointingly waning efficacy when it comes to preventing disease. This does not mean in cannot be a useful tool, especially when combined with other measures. It still has very good efficacy when it comes to keeping people out of the hospital or the morgue, which is a pretty major consideration for most commanders. If you’re vaccinated and exposed, you don’t get taken out for 10 days (or 5, or 7, or whatever it is today…..agree that CDC’s messaging is atrocious), another major consideration for commanders. Finally, even 40% efficacy when it comes to preventing disease is not nothing. If I had a tool that kept 40% of my troops combat effective who otherwise wouldn’t be, you’re goddamn right I’d use it.

A) So all of the roughly 10,000 uniformed personnel across DoD that are not getting this non-preventative vaccine are "whiny, entitled bitches?" Not to mention the civilians who bailed rather than submit? Me included, but that didn't take much for me to retire and cash the check. Of course, having had Covid doesn't carry weight for immunity for DoD, only the non-preventative vaccine. Nice B) DoD is losing approximately 10,000 uniformed personnel who are among the 1% or so of the population that is willing to serve. How many of those would recommend a military career? Sure seems an own goal, but if it gets rid of the "entitled," then so be it. C) If any military order produces 10,000 casualties, and for accounting purposes, these 10,000 are, for no mission results, is that really effective and efficient leadership? Interesting how you went the full Hitler when no one else did. Never go full Hitler...

Off the street hire at a Guard Tanker Unit. January 2022 Update: UPT Dates Finally! AFOQT/TBAS: July 2016 Board: November 2019 Hired: November 2019 MEPS: Passed April 2020 amid the 'rona outbreak. Enlistment: June 2020. FC1: September 29, 2020 FC1 Stamped Approved: November 2020 NGB approval: March 2021 OTS: August 2021 UPT: March 2022 - March 2023, Laughlin AFB, TX. Looks like its still UPT 2.0 from how my TLN is coded. FTU: ???

That's a capital "M" to you. 😆

First offense? Blues for week/month, give some briefings in said blues, and LOC an LOR at most. Art-15...GTFO. If we gave punishment such as this for off colored jokes, we wouldn't have anyone to lead the AF or the government.

Don't mean to derail this thread but this topic is something that interests and affects me. While I haven't seen a decrease in the quality of the UPT product, our community has gotten much, much younger in all positions, to include IPs (instructors in all crew positions really). In some ways this is a positive, since previously the time to upgrade to IP in AFSOC was sometimes excessive/out of whack with other communities. And honestly there's some high speed dudes that have both benefited from it and had good return on investment to the guys on the line. In other ways I think it's been a negative. In the last 3 years I've heard more incorrect/poorly considered techniques and sometimes downright wrong concepts/tactics than in my previous 15 years. I also think that the ops tempo, as you discussed, has led to a serious reduction in the amount of time IPs have to spend with new copilots. Finally, I think the airline hiring spree is about to crush the MC community. The AF got a reprieve for 18 months in the form of COVID, but now I'm seeing a large chunk of the O-4 IP/EP 2-3,000 hour guys either punching or on the verge of doing so. I've read/been presented the Shaw Class A. It was a tough read, especially as a senior IP. I wholeheartedly agree with your point about FTU instruction versus line instruction; the two just aren't the same. It's not cosmic, but how a line IP approaches student training versus an FTU IP is just a different mentality (and sometime skill set) that I didn't fully appreciate until I was an FTU IP. I'm absolutely not against improving/modernizing our UPT syllabus, but I'm of the personal opinion that actual hours in the airplane CANNOT be replicated, regardless of the level of technology present in whatever training device is being used. Back on topic, think the AF will bump the bonus back up to $35K this year?

"Headed?!?" And no, that's not a 'STS' question, nor is it a grammatical one. I am surprised at your claim we are "becoming" a military that allows zero thinking. Many will argue we reached that point years ago!

Like the cloth masks thing. Everyone knows they don’t work. Hell even the CNN hardcore COVID worshipers have come out and admitted they’re theatre.

Serious question: are there any ejection-capable fighter or trainer aircraft in our inventory that recommend a landing with single MLG unsafe? If you don’t have safety access, the AIB gives much of what you may need. I realize there are different seats, but one of the most important parts of this mishap (to me) is the failure of the seat. I think far too many people make go/no-go decisions without consideration for seat failure. I have seen people take too much unnecessary risk with a blind assumption that the seat will get them out of a bad spot if things go too far south.

I’m not sure who’s more anxious at this point, me or my spouse lol

If that is the case, at Skywest you will get DEN or MSP right out of training or within 2 months. If you get ORD that works too, easy commute and we fly it. Skywest QOL is good, training is the best out there. I'm new enough that I may be a little biased though. Can't go wrong with Endeavor, Envoy, or Republic either if you ask me. Other ones I might stay away from.

Based on credible intel I received (AFPC), results are anticipated to be pushed out next week. I figured I would bother folks on behalf of everyone on here so y'all don't have to.

Similarly there’s a significant portion of our populace that thinks it’s prudent to regulate free speech, criminalize so called “hate speech”, believe in cancel culture and whine like a bunch of third graders when they hear an opinion different than what their gender studies professor told them. It’s pathetic. Absolutely true though, free speech has consequences and only protects you from the government.

Copy— you’re acknowledging the tool you advocate does not produce the results you desire, but you want the tool used anyway to produce the results you desire despite second order effects with collateral impacts. Makes perfect sense, you have a promising career in government. To answer your question: all of those people are following SECDEF orders. But at the JCS level they can have a conversation which would be inappropriate for other entities you listed. If I were JCS I’d have the balls to say: we’re losing more personnel to this mandate than the virus. Recommend we cease mandates, and treat religious objections to vaccine same way we treat conscientious objectors: find a way they can continue service. Here are my specific recommendations….. By the way, that is the logic I sent my boss. But we’ve decided to go full adversarial instead of empathetic, with predictable results. End state: we are weaker not stronger, and more divided as a country and military than ever. Congratulations.

Agree to completely disagree. And your points don’t hold water. Like the answer to the pilot crisis. Add more water to the bucket with holes. Don’t fix the holes. We can always deploy forces and choose to dis regard or come to a different agreement with host nations. It’s them we are going there to support. And not doing things like that is a sign of weakness that democrats routinely do. The military is full of exemptions and waivers. If we didn’t have any we couldn’t function period. Your argument doesn’t hold water.

One tool in the tool box. Do you honestly expect military leaders to sit back and do NOTHING to attempt to combat a virus that severely threatens readiness? Tell me, what steps would you take if you were a member of the Joint Chiefs, a combatant commander, or even a WG/CC?

Sounds like us RPA guys are getting the short end of the stick with regard to the bonus but maybe that just means our career field is finally healthy. Either way, I hope we're all selected for our first choice.

A few things here: Allowing military members to defy direct orders based on their religious beliefs will undoubtedly weaken, not strengthen our military. Another thing that will weaken, not strengthen our position in the world would be not being able to deploy forces at a moment’s notice due to host nation requirements. Yet another thing that weakens, not strengthens our military is having entire ships or combat units taken out of action due to mass illness. Suggest you check the mirror as it is you, not I who is supporting policies that will weaken our military.