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Is this why you became a nav?

Not very familiar with antifa are you? Extremes are extreme on both sides. Try not to be so partisan and for once *think* about the other side. Why would so many people be "wish casting" a civil war? If you really think tens or millions of people are so vastly inferior to you and your side, you are a narcissist and a fool.

Regardless of gender, if I were a kid and was taken to visit a drone squadron, I’d choose the librarian path too.

Ding Ding....to each their own but when you hit a certain age (as I have), you begin to realize that QOL is way more important that the almighty dollar. My colleagues look at me aghast when I tell them I'm happy working 2-4 days for the airlines per month. But what about all that money you're giving away?? My answer, don't need it, not gonna take it with me, don't have 3 ex wives, no loans/mortgages, no boats/airplanes, nest egg is built, etc etc. This is where I differ from the "norm" IMO. In that I mean my time spent w/ friends/family and doing hobbies that I may not be able to do when I'm 55-65 are the priority.

False. Research in the Nordic countries has shown that as a society gets more gender equal, the disparity in job selection increases. Women and men are different biologically, with different interests. People vs Things, for example. High risk, plus being away from home, plus things-vs-people, and it's not surprising women don't seek the job like men do. Now there's no biological reason for black underrepresentation, but until our society is ready to tackle the cultural and socioeconomic problems of the poor, which is disproportionally black in the US, we aren't getting anywhere. Just look at San Francisco which is moving closer to dooming black people forever, if this insane reparations scheme comes to pass. Progressives never want to address the root cause. They want the immediate fix, and it doesn't exist.

I have to agree with @nsplayr on this one point: We're nowhere near a civil war. Such a thing would involve a vast majority of the population. Right now I would argue that 10% or less of the US population composes the highly vocal left and right. Civil unrest? More likely. If we can elect some leadership that moderate and actually has some form of wisdom in their decision making, we'll be fine. Our current administration is populated by muppets and morons, which is why we're in the economic, political, social, and international troubles we're in.

nsplayr’s kids don’t want to be pilots because he’s a nav, and he has talked shit about pilots his entire career. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

There’s the law, and then there’s reality. You can’t possibly be so aloof to think this doesn’t happen. I’ve seen it with my own eyes more than once. You are wrong. Related - have you payed attention to Asians getting completely fucked by DEI in this country? If not, look into it, it is in fact very much happening.

More people would take you seriously if you could offer a coherent theory that explains all manner of differences in gendered choices people make when selecting career fields. You think that women are kept out of becoming pilots due to...barriers? Okay. What are they? And if those are barriers keeping women out, then how about you explain why there are other career fields that have drastically worse gender gaps than piloting does. Don't think 95/5 can just happen? Ok. How about 98.8/1.2? How about 99.7/.3? What about 99.2/.8??? That's all unnatural according to you. Your view doesn't explain anything. You assume a conclusion and then point to data to support your argument. Problem is, your argument doesn't account for any of the (worse) differences below, and has no actual hope of addressing or explaining them. You need to explain why piloting at 95/5 is anomalous, but yet these other outliers are not. I'll wait. No. The simple answer is being a pilot appeals to more to men, and has other some other attendant difficulties that make it tougher on women - such as being away on the road for days and weeks at a time - but that has nothing to do with discrimination. Here's a fact: any women who wanted to be a pilot as bad as I did is a pilot. Some who wanted it less than I did are still pilots. Most who wanted it way less than that aren't. Nothing is stopping anyone from doing this job, or any other job listed below, except themselves. Men and women are different and that's ok. We evolved different strengths in order to be a more adaptable species. It's really quite simple.

I know the liberals don't care because their guys is "mostly doing a great job", but come on...which President is guilty of collusion? Chicoms sending millions to Biden family members.

NATO Edges Closer to Expansion as Finland Wins Over Holdouts (msn.com) And in other not great news for the Russians, Finland's NATO bid is gaining steam.

This quote seems to be an exact foretelling of what we're living through right now. “What I want to fix your attention on is the vast, overall movement towards the discrediting, and finally the elimination, of every kind of human excellence—moral, cultural, social, or intellectual. And is it not pretty to notice how Democracy (in the incantatory sense) is now doing for us the work that was once done by the most ancient Dictatorships, and by the same methods? You remember how one of the Greek Dictators (they called them ‘tyrants’ then) sent an envoy to another Dictator to ask his advice about the principles of government. The second Dictator led the envoy into a field of corn, and there he snicked off with his cane the top of every stalk that rose an inch or so above the general level. The moral was plain. Allow no pre-eminence among your subjects. Let no man live who is wiser, or better, or more famous, or even handsomer than the mass. Cut them all down to a level; all slaves, all ciphers, all nobodies. All equals. Thus Tyrants could practise, in a sense, ‘democracy’. But now ‘democracy’ can do the same work without any other tyranny than her own. No one need now go through the field with a cane. The little stalks will now of themselves bite the tops off the big ones. The big ones are beginning to bite off their own in their desire to Be Like Stalks.” ― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters: Also Includes "Screwtape Proposes a Toast"

Step 1: Live in base Step 2: Hang out in a category overstaffed with tons of new hires Step 3: Bid reserve Step 4: ??? Step 5: Profit I've blocked 12 hours this year, and I only picked up that one trip because it was pretty gucci and I didn't feel like going back to the sim to maintain my landing currency. And that's as a NB FO at the major with the worst reserve rules. Anything's possible with a little gamesmanship (and a little bit of luck).

No one I know left-of-center talks about a civil war 🤷‍♂️ Joe Biden, an old white man and long-time senator is president, and the GOP holds the house. Not seeing some insane liberal agenda washing over us anytime soon. jUsT aSkInG fOr InSaNiTy To StOp ok what do you mean by that?

Dude, you just glossed over what I wrote. I don’t know a guy who knows of a guy, I’ve personally seen it first hand. Another example is colleges blatantly use race as a decision factor in admittance…and SCOTUS has upheld the legality of that, for now anyways. Asians are perhaps getting the most fucked, as they’ve been purposely excluded from “BIPOC” but also aren’t “white.” The pursuit of “perceived fairness” is alive and well, but I guess you’re too blind to see it.

Following your logic train for a minute here. What are the specific barriers to entry into the pilot world that are filtering out women and minorities? How is DEI removing those barriers? Is placing people in jobs due to skin color or gender not racist or sexist? Are you just as concerned that the overwhelming majority of coal miners are white men too? We're looking for equity of outcome, right? So it would stand to reason that you also want to see an even distribution of women and minorities into the oil fields of Texas and in the welding career in North Dakota. Why is the focus only on the high paying career fields and C-suit perceived disparities. If we're going to level the playing field, then actually level it. As it stands, for example in the C-suits of america, women are actually paid higher then men in those same jobs. Fact. I say good for them! Oh, but that's not the stat we want to push because it's counter-narrative. Hell, you know how many women are in the night-cargo flying business? VERY FEW. It's not because they can't hold the job. It's that very few people actually are willing to sacrifice their body to the sleep cycle murder that's involved. Or does that make night cargo-flying sexist? Perhaps it's time we recognize that different cultures have different values. Perhaps there are less women entering into the airline business, because, per-capita, there are less women that want that job then there are men who want that job. During the hiring process at the 8 airlines I interacted with, I witnessed all of ZERO barriers that filtered out anyone by race or gender. In fact, being a minority or woman upped their chances of getting hired (hear that straight from a hiring pilot's mouth). A qualified candidate was a qualified candidate. I'm sure the process to get to that point still has some problems. Fine. Get to a 90% solution and go to press. But perhaps there's credence to a culture where women are the primary care givers to children while men go earn the living. Can you imagine if they ACTUALLY CHOSE THAT LIFE?! CRAZY! It's almost as if we have some inboard instincts and characteristic that make the genders unique in their ambitions or something. Is that the ONLY way it should happen? Absolutely not. But there appears to be absolutely no credit given to that as a viable way of life. DEI is clearly intent on making some people more equal than others. Go re-read animal farm if you want a refresher on that. I say remove the prejudiced barriers to entry, retain the ones that enforce quality, and let people vote with their feet. Forcing change with DEI bullshit is just a distractor, and really is another form of tyrannical power grabbing. It's been done. Forcing everyone to be equal never ends well. Talk to anyone older than 50 and from east of Poland and you'll find out how it went.

Congrats pawnman. That’s awesome. The American dream.

My statement holds, I don’t know any of the people in the video. Anyone on the left calling for a civil war is a dangerous moron that no one should listen to…just like anyone on the right! Or the center. Theres not going to be a civil war, our politics is not substantially more radical than in the past, but we do need to actively stick together and move the country forward if we want our kids to enjoy the gift we were all given at birth (or naturalization) - a great country.

No, concerned people talk about civil war instead of burying craniums in the sand and ignoring it. Almost half this country (recent poll) says they think a civil war is a very real possibility in the near-ish future. That is frightening we as a country have been sliding that direction. Millions of Americans are just asking insanity to stop, not asking for hard right policies. They just want a relatively middle country. The progressives are heavily leading the charge in making our country as far from the middle as possible. People are fed up with it, and if it can’t be brought back to the middle peacefully, it will be brought back violently. And I very much hope the former happens and not the later.

https://simpleflying.com/guess-which-country-has-the-most-female-pilots/ According to this article, the best ratio in the entire world is Air India at 12%. The other European nations mentioned pretty closely match the ratio in the US. The article mentions the Nordic country of Finland as having one of the lowest percentages, but then doesn’t mention the actual number. I searched myself and found a Facebook post from Finn Airlines themselves in 2017 that said 3% of their pilots are female. That same post mentioned 88% of their cabin crew is female. So is there some global conspiracy against women in aviation now too? There’s a couple “progressive” countries listed in that article with a nearly identical ratio to the United States. This is the problem with chasing “equitable” statistics, they don’t hold up to the reality of what actual human beings desire to do. Like has been said a million times in this thread, there is absolutely nothing wrong with trying to get as many girls and women interested in aviation as possible. I’m certain that everyone in here has flown with some kickass female pilots. But what happens if in 20 years we double the amount of Female ATPs, but they still only represent 10% of the airline pilot community? Instead of celebrating success at doubling the interest of women in aviation, I’d be willing to bet a significantly large sum of money the leftists of the this forum and country would still be decrying the “inequitable” world of aviation.

My favorite part of the trans movement in the military was when they called the entire squadron in so my favorite pilot, wearing a wig, could tell us all he's now a woman. This was a month or so after I flew with him on that sweet 40 minute flight where he couldn't maintain +/- 100 feet in the pattern. UPT let us down lol. It was almost like a down day but instead of tackling other aviation/personnel issues, we had to spend the day learning about trans people. That was the weirdest moment I encountered in the military. I retired a few months later. Explain to me how this made us more lethal? Besides giving his flight time to other LTs...lol

Doubt they do (the admin) but as to fighters my WAG is the PLAAF is / might be interested in seeing how the Brits react and gathering technical data on NATO systems, tactics, etc... No doubt the Chinese produced JF-17s (if the Argies choose to acquire will insist on ones with little Pakistani involvement as Myanmar is less than happy with their JF-17s with serious problems) will be there to gather trons on Typhoon radar, ECM, Meteor missile capes, etc... How applicable to a potential Taiwan scenario is that? Don't know but the partial analogy to their desire to take an island 90 nm from their coast is there

Nothing to see here. Cough, Cough. Imagine if members of Reagan's family were receiving money from the Russians in 1985? That would have been the crime of the century.

If this goes down, it will only destroy the people’s confidence in our system that much more. Apparently the liberals really want civil war to happen, because continuing to do shit like this is how that happens. The irony is how poorly that’ll go for them.

Just confirming I have the facts...Trump will be arrested on Tuesday for giving a check to an adult film star while Biden is celebrated for standing by as millions of dollars were funneled from Chinese firms to all of his relatives.

Looking at the stats on the FAA site, it appears that the number of runway incursions is staying relatively stable from past years. Perhaps we're just seeing more press on them now with trackers like FlightRadar24 and such. Still, not good. https://www.faa.gov/airports/runway_safety/statistics/

Show me where? That's all I'm asking.... Still looking for the ROTC policy memo that states you get extra points on your order of merit if you are a minority or woman.... Or the Academy memo that directs ascensions to only come from one category. I work in the tech sector now. (Decided not to go airlines) and I'm not seeing it. Youre making a huge leap from "talent recruiters told to focus women and minorities" to "hiring authorities told to favor minorities." There just isn't any data to back up this assertion that it's happening except all this anecdotal evidence that people once knew a minority pilot that sucked at their job. I mean I knew a lot of white male pilots that sucked at their job too..... It doesn't really mean anything. At some point that person completed multiple training programs, passed multiple checkrides, earned and ATP..... Were every one of those hiring officials, flight examiners and instructor pilots all on in on this DEI conspiracy or is it possible maybe just possible, that you get some pilots who just fall through the cracks regularly......

Those pushing DEI have no issues with racist/sexist hiring practices because the ends justify the means. Those practices are part of the “help” and “removal of barriers” that are alluded to, but they don’t have the integrity to openly grant their approval. I find it comical the same individuals that will argue with the conservative dudes on here for hours about how the main stream media bias/hunter Biden laptop story/pick your conservative conspiracy theory are all just BS and there’s no real collusion. Then they’ll jump in this thread and demand that we all agree there’s a large barrier put in place by white males to anyone else entering aviation. If the liberal minded individuals in the room don’t realize that their quiet endorsement of racism/sexism/gender in the hiring process is extremely hypocritical then you’re never going to find common ground with conservatives. You can’t virtue signal day and night and then agree with these practices and think you have any credibility. I’ve yet to hear anyone say “we shouldn’t be reaching out to underrepresented communities” when it comes to aviation. Using race/sex/gender as a discriminator is what is being argued against. It’s happening in the government and on the civilian side, it’s been happening and the ends don’t justify the means.

I flew with a gay pilot in the early 2000s. Nobody knew he was gay. He didn't prance around or anything. He was an awesome pilot. I always respected him for being a great pilot, even before I knew he was gay. A few years later, when they allowed gay people to serve, he came out and was married. One of the most squared away dudes I flew with. You would have never known. I still respect him. I flew with two Pilots who transitioned after I retired. One was a good stick (STS). I can't speak for this person recently though. The second one was the scariest rated pilot I flew with for 17 years AD and 2 years at Compass (RIP)..lol 1/2 of the identitied Trans I've encountered can fly level. If I've flown with any trans/gay and I didn't recognize it. Awesome, because they didn't tell me how they like to fuck. I didn't care, unless I was involved in the playful shenanigans. Just don't tell me DEI is heading in a logical direction.

I'm guessing you don't understand what life in a communist country is really like. I'd rather work 25 days a month and be free to quit or find another job rather than live under the tyranny of the USSR or the CCP.

nsplayr, The reason there is not an equal gender split is because men and women are different. We think different, we want different things and are attracted to different things. I don't understand how this isn't clear to absolutely everyone, especially any adult regardless of political leanings. Why is it only certain professions that people decry an unequal ratio in?

Pictures for humor only. The right message at every recruiting event, from inner city schools to MIT, should be "we want the best on our team and we believe some of the best are here right now. If you think that's you, come talk to me." The absurdity of DEI hiring is that it advantages the rich black girl from a private school in New York over the poor white dude from Appalachia with no parents who has been working since 12 and taught himself to read. Both examples are real people I know.

So what if it is skewed? As long as the most qualified are being hired and everyone has an opportunity to tryout, then who cares what people look like? If a group of people I’m working with are all disabled transgender black females, but the most qualified… then great! If that same group were all white men…then who cares? The dudes on this group are talking about it because “those left of you” have made institutionalized racism a comeback in places like the airlines and military. Also what problem is DEI trying to solve? Are we losing wars because there aren’t enough minority female generals? Are aircraft incidents on the rise because of old white males? Or is it about feelings and perception…quality and competence be damned? Because that is an unacceptable experiment in fields where quality and competence impacts lives. Finally, what rights do white males have in terms of getting a pilots license that minorities and females do not? Are women not allowed to pursue aviation, nor minorities? There is no law in place that prevents anyone from pursuing a pilot career. Now, if you want to make the financial barrier argument, for example, African Americans, I’ll buy that and to that point have no issue with flight schools doing outreach, mentorship and offering scholarships. Those should be offered to underprivileged without thought of race/gender but that’s just my opinion. However, having a mandatory quota based on race (United, and let’s be honest many programs in our military) is racist and dangerous.

That dude is a complete nutjob.

I think that southern public school education is working against you again…Lincoln did not free all the slaves in 1863.

Uhh…No. Gone for 3/4 of the month consistently? I’d find other work thanks. This is a great job, but I can’t imagine being away from the wife and kids that much.

I think most folks on this forum would prefer that DEI go away entirely, and people be hired based upon merit alone. My experience in corporate America has been that DEI preferences focus on very specific groups that do not include veteran status and age.

Wasn't bad although we were limited in the number of bases we could go TDY, luckily your mom was working the juicy bar at each location.

In a perfect world, yes. That's not what's happening. DEI assumes that if you have a certain skin color, then you must have had a disadvantage. Assuming you overcame more barriers because you aren't white is intensely arrogant. Imagining that you know anything about someone based on their skin color or gender has a name: RACISM. So I'm clear: DEI IS INSTITUTIONAL RACISM

Must’ve been one of those UPTski 2.5 VR comrades that got Flankers instead of May’s to Siberia because of diversity, am I right? *high five*

Valid consideration.

Ukrainian shenanigans are cheeky and fun! Russian shenanigans are cruel and tragic, which makes them not really shenanigans at all! Evil shenanigans! 😮 Окупанти вибухають на фронті.mp4

I'll take this one. Yes. If the Earth is to descend into a multi-polar world again, in which war is inescapable, then I'll "take" WWIII. But exactly who will be fighting in this scenario you're hyperventilating over? Russia? The country that has wiped out half of their military capacity fighting a third-tier democracy? The country that is drafting the bottom of the bottom of the barrel to fight their failed conquest of a vastly out-gunned neighbor? It's going to be a pretty dull WWIII when one of the three key players can barely invade their neighbor. China? The belligerent dictatorship that has been almost entirely funded by the West? They might try to take Taiwan, but WWIII? You think the country with the worst demographics on Earth is going to risk conventional war with the West in order to defend the Russian campaign against Ukraine? Or do you just mean that Russia will launch nukes? That's not really WWIII, but if they do in response to losing a pathetic war THEY chose to fight, so be it. That genie was let free 80 years ago. Thinking we wouldn't eventually have to confront the reality of nuclear proliferation was just one of many fairy tales we've been telling ourselves for the past 30 years. Though it would be interesting to see China and India forced into eschewing Russian oil for fear of getting pulled into the inevitable shit-show that will follow a Russian nuclear attack. China already smacked Russia down when they started to rattle the nuke sabre. We spent decades appeasing the bullshit Russia and China have been pulling, all while funding their countries' growth. Now that they've reached a point where they must split with the West in order to pursue their imperial ambitions, you want to show your belly in the hopes they will be satisfied with your humiliation. They won't. We are in the way of their goals, and they have finally shown their cards. That isolationist nonsense failed spectacularly the last time the world hit an inflection point, and it will fail again. Either way we will be at war if the other near-peer countries decide the risk is worth it. It'll take one hypersonic missile hitting the US to wake up the blind patriotic fury that has accompanied every attack against this country. Personally, I think Ukraine will end up forestalling that inevitable confrontation. But not for more than a decade or so. WWIII indeed.

Please God don’t leak our group chat.

Ok Hercules, flying planes ain’t that hard 😂

I mean, more or less 😅 Simplified for simplicity’s sake. But yes, what I wrote is not the full story, there are many good books that tell it better.