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Sorry to hear that but it sounds like you have a good attitude about it. That’ll serve you very well wherever you end up. Questions: 1. Yes, you’ll be limited to crew aircraft only now. That still leaves most of the inventory. 2. Your wings will only be stripped if they decide to go to a Flight Evaluation Board (FEB) and that’s the decision from it. I know a bunch of guys that washed out of fighter B courses and the vast majority got offered a waiver to a FEB and reassignment to another aircraft. Only one I know that was FEB’d and lost his wings did some truly heinous things that were deliberate and dangerous. 3. It won’t affect you at all. Just do great at your next jet and you’ll be fine. Plenty of fighter washouts have done great, gone to WIC, made rank, etc. It will all come down to attitude and performance on your next assignment. Keep up your honest attitude and that’ll do serve you very well. Don’t hide it at your next assignment and just be honest. Don’t do the “they had it out for me and it was all BS” routine. In terms of future assignments, you’ll fill out a dream sheet and go from there. Let your leadership know what you want and why and they will help you if you’re a good dude. Try to figure out what mission appeals to you and pursue that. And then whatever you get, that is the best jet in the Air Force. Good luck!

Sucks that it happened to you, but you’ll be alright. I have a good friend who washed out Viper b course years ago, he maintained the tactical mindset and brought it with him to the Herk. He was/is a standout aviator and dude, he’s done well for himself in his career as well.

We bow to no one 😂

Support or don’t support whomever you like. Some of you guys give way too much credit to the “woke mob” or whatever the latest boogeyman is. Here’s the thing: Iran and the Taliban can both get fucked. It really isn’t that hard to figure out who the (admittedly flawed) good guys are in the Ukraine conflict though.

Gotcha. Well at least in my experience in the CAF, the guys are challenged well. And if that’s not happening at some squadrons, then the patch, DO, and CC need to fix that immediately.

Which is 50'-100'. No one I flew with strived for anything greater than 50'. Many flew it tighter than that.

I understand your general point, and I’ve been seeing a lack of airmanship for years. But what exactly do you mean by “push students…to make them sweat?” Flying form is a non-issue for the tons of F-35 FNGs I’ve flown with, no need for them to do more “close work.” If your answer to “the link goes out” is visual form when doing anything more than CAS, you have a gap in knowledge/understanding of some things. I grew up in the “last world” of no link/helmet, green screens, pie-in-the-sky/geo ref to stay in the airspace (in the CAF mind you), stay visual at all costs even to detriment of mission accomplishment, and even did 10 timers with live CBU. I get it, but none of that is where we are today - all the old-minded guys (age agnostic) need to move on or get out. I think the new guys are “sweated” a ton more than we were at their age, just in different ways. I do however maintain general airmanship/SA when the toys go away is worse nowadays.

The confusion on my part was the barrel roll in close trail vs extended trail. The video posted helped clear that up. As for the two aircraft being different, I did a google search and your post checks lol.

My point was only that you can mitigate risk to a certain degree. If BASH is high, don't fly. If it's low, 200'.

Why not do low levels at 5k'? I'm not an old dude and I see the degradation in the ability of students to adapt because we have coddled them due to changing situations based on tactics which don't necessitate visual formation keeping which doesn't them better aviators. They're more lethal, but that is due to the platform and level of SA provided by a platform that shows you everything in a beautiful picture which requires nothing more than the press of a button and a pickle depression. For better or worse, in Fat(test) Amy they only ever have to fly form for two FTU/FRS/RAG events and then only for the break. What happens when link(s) goes out? I think you should push students at the FTU/FRS/RAG and once they get to the CAF/fleet because the more you sweat... The less you bleed. We haven't had to bleed in 50 years, time will tell.

Yes the T-38 isn’t a T-6. A T-38 can also go past 90* at 500 AGL.

Thats how you CRM

No doubt this is a rant on the internet with about 0.69% chance of happening but f it it's BO dot net and if it's what you think express yourself... Curious and interested to your point on being relevant to everyone, does every concept or task taught in the T-1 syllabus have to be one that the student will be directly executing in their first assignment or is there value in exposing them to a variety of concepts to make them better aviators and leaders? We lament stovepipes in the Line of the AF culture, well this is one way to establish links between communities. Not being douchey, naïve or cheesy in that question but there is a value IMHO to exposing them to the maximum range of air mobility operations (and ideally others too in a more robust crew bound syllabus). These grads will serve in liaison, planner and watch officer positions, some will cross flow, some will rotate to staff, exchange tours, etc... having a basic knowledge of and some limited experience in what the other half of the mobility / big wing force is doing is valuable methinks. If 50 hours is not enough, then argue for more. Easy for me to say but if what we have now is not working, what they are proposing is not going to work either. We venerate renegades in 'Merica, sounds like now is the time to for someone with a bird or star from the heavy world to do so. The next generation of heavy aviators are going into a different operational environment, with capable foes that will strike their bases, target their platforms and require a different mentality than I experienced many moons ago in AMC. Starting in their specialized flying track to build that aviator who thinks in those terms is necessary. Now, I'll finish my beer

So which flag do I post on my social media profile so as not to be canceled? I support $3B to whomever the underdog is.

Same! Agreed with Huggy on lecturing, but I'll certainly offer my opinion to other looking in. However, I won't feel bad for their plight after they just spent the pond crossing me telling me how they've been a WB Capt since 38, showing pics of their Porsche, Seneca (and Bonanza), their 200k+ backyard pool (house near a famous beach), their apartment in AMS...then lectured me on how we should support age 67 because they "need" the next two years. These people exist!

Yeah, you're not wrong. I fall into the "I don't know shit about investing" category. But... mainly on other airline websites... I read posts where pilots get on their high horse and admonish other pilots for their "need" to have an 85 hour month. Or they bad mouth this and that, and tell us how smart they are for doing X or Y. And if it works for them, I'm happy for them. But lecturing others is poor form. Some pilots are living on the edge of their finances because they are taking care of a parent suffering from dementia... or devoting their efforts to a special needs child... or dealing with a painful and costly divorce. Some have sick spouses that require treatments that exhaust life savings. Life is tough for many people. And before someone starts pontificating on how other pilots should be saving for college and how they should be more careful with their money... then they should stop... give thanks to God that they are not in a bad situation... and simply pray that others can find a way to become financially secure. Frankly, no financial advice given on this forum is going to make a difference. As such... I will shut my fucking piehole before I offer my less-than-sage wisdom on the subject.

Just sayin’ this was available 5 years ago if a staffer or CODEL person is lurking on this thread Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Appropriate on so many levels.

Who is flying 90 degrees IMC on the wing? Let’s keep it 45 or less and move on. Also, fat amy sucks flying in close formation so I try to avoid it other than flying up initial like most everyone else.

Seen in Beale Finance this week. Congrats to the Blue Angels for their sponsorship of Finance.

The IPs are supposed to grade you according to the course training standards listed in the syllabus. Unfortunately, the grades they give you aren't as black and white as what the syllabus states so they end up being pretty subjective. Check out the T-6 syllabus and it should give you an idea of what they're looking for (start at page 13). https://www.t6driver.com/jsupt/jppt_jsupt_syllabus.pdf