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Pentagon leaders cancel drag show at a Nevada Air Force base

It was a little harder getting ATIS in the Huey single pilot. We were so slow, it'd change several times from the time I was 7 miles out to touch down. So much ATIS. I have nightmares about it.

Wow. That deescalated quickly. @HuggyU2 , I doubt he was talking to your generation anyway. We all really admire your efforts at the Meuse-Argonne and Vittorio Veneto.

Formation touch and goes in the Talon, 100 foot low level in the Hawg......AND getting my own ATIS....I'm lucky to have survived.

Ah... the virtual squadron bar is an interesting place. Four Fans... you know I love you. And I'm just having some drunken fun. Come to Beale sometime. Drinks are on me. XOXO. p.s. I've taken my lithium and feel fine now.

There are plenty of fighter wash outs doing good work in global strike and carrying far more weapons and gas than they would have had in fighters🤫🤫. Seen dudes move on to squadron command, TPS, WIC, you name it. A solid attitude and work ethic will serve you well no matter where you end up.

Sorry to hear that but it sounds like you have a good attitude about it. That’ll serve you very well wherever you end up. Questions: 1. Yes, you’ll be limited to crew aircraft only now. That still leaves most of the inventory. 2. Your wings will only be stripped if they decide to go to a Flight Evaluation Board (FEB) and that’s the decision from it. I know a bunch of guys that washed out of fighter B courses and the vast majority got offered a waiver to a FEB and reassignment to another aircraft. Only one I know that was FEB’d and lost his wings did some truly heinous things that were deliberate and dangerous. 3. It won’t affect you at all. Just do great at your next jet and you’ll be fine. Plenty of fighter washouts have done great, gone to WIC, made rank, etc. It will all come down to attitude and performance on your next assignment. Keep up your honest attitude and that’ll do serve you very well. Don’t hide it at your next assignment and just be honest. Don’t do the “they had it out for me and it was all BS” routine. In terms of future assignments, you’ll fill out a dream sheet and go from there. Let your leadership know what you want and why and they will help you if you’re a good dude. Try to figure out what mission appeals to you and pursue that. And then whatever you get, that is the best jet in the Air Force. Good luck!

Eagle dudes are pretty upset.

Knock it off. I let the lid off online. That was wrong. I had a severely grating experience with a virulently entitled older CA who decided to aggressively inform me that I need to work harder to pay 'my fair share' into social security so it doesn't bottom out on him. It's not the first time I've been shit on by these older guys, and I lost it, and it came out via whiskey, a keyboard, and the airline forum. Seriously bad form on my part. Post deleted. @HuggyU2, apologies for the hitting a sore spot. Thanks for the sage words of direction. I'm sure young huggy never shot off at the mouth or had the mayor throw a pool ball his way for buffoonery. The fact that, of all people in all the demographics, a select set of older airline pilots decide to dump on anyone younger than them in the work force has been seriously rubbing me the wrong way. But that's not an excuse. I'll get back to leaving the drunken posting to others. Oh the irony: ...an inappropriate and aggressive expression of frustration at getting generationally cornholed is met with "go fuck yourself". I guess there's solace to be had. I don't have to do it myself when someone else is already elbow deep.

Valid point on Iran/Taliban/Ukraine, but your slight about the “boogeyman” is ridiculous. The woke dipshits (or far left progressives, whatever you want to call them) are very real at all level of society. For you to dismiss that is either ludicrously dishonest or you’re a complete dumbass with zero SA (either for legit lack of awareness or you’ve allowed yourself to be completely gaslighted with zero free thinking/critical thought executed). Dismissing that makes you just as much part of the problem as them.

Support or don’t support whomever you like. Some of you guys give way too much credit to the “woke mob” or whatever the latest boogeyman is. Here’s the thing: Iran and the Taliban can both get fucked. It really isn’t that hard to figure out who the (admittedly flawed) good guys are in the Ukraine conflict though.

So which flag do I post on my social media profile so as not to be canceled? I support $3B to whomever the underdog is.

God help us... Oh and look at CQ, his wife and other senior GOs laughing.

Washed out of IFF, went to B-1s, then was TAMIed to AFSOC. I did all right for myself. Keep your chin up. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I’m just glad you guys sorted this out so I don’t need to do this difficult math. I’m still trying to figure out how the “born before 1960-65” thing works. Is it born before 1960, so the 61-65 is irrelevant? Or if you’re a ‘64 guy do you have some stink on you too? But less than the ‘63 guy? By the time I came close to wrapping my head around that Huggy had stepped in to save the day. 😜

Welcome back home FourFans.

All while getting their own ATIS …

As many of you know, I'm into the airshow scene. Chuck Aaron retired but was amazing. Before he flew he was very focused and even tense. He said his performance margins were thin. Aaron Fitzgerald has taken over and flies a great show.

Apples and oranges. They don’t lack precision flying ability, they lack SA without all the data fed to them on a display (or make poor decisions as it pertains to safety of flight/general airmanship). VMFA and I are on the same page now - they need to be challenged so they learn how to maintain SA when toys go down and make good decisions without a FL/IP telling them what to do. This problem is a direct correlation to cutting air-under-ass time throughout the pipeline and letting them skate by with unchallenging/benign flying.

Yeah, the ironically funny part of my post was that I was agreeing with you and cranking your sentiments to 11.

I've seen a late rated, fighter wash, make command, but is good people and made sense. Remember, piloting comes 2nd (or 12th) in the AF.

The memo hasn't dropped yet, but myfss has all the info on their for the fy24 pilot board. Search MyFSS on the portal, and once there, search Undergraduate Flight Training, and it should be one of the first drop downs. You can't submit anything until the memo drops, but this can get you all started. Here we GO! Sent from my SM-G986U using Tapatalk

No shit... https://www.theblaze.com/news/radical-leftism-linked-to-narcissism-and-psychopathy

I thought the same thing, but the virtual system has provided much better results for me than trying to go in person only to find that finance is closed for training/official function/comp day/office hangout.

Seen in Beale Finance this week. Congrats to the Blue Angels for their sponsorship of Finance.

With the other two contenders of consequence both being COTS. That's the real criminality here. I pretty much threw out my T-7 swag already. With a first retirement eligible date of mid-late 2020s, I'm settled in the fact I'm gonna retire in my grandfather's ol timey ride. That is if it doesn't kill me first, or cost me a second divorce. The weef already got smart on the airline "trade", she's now on the "100% you're just taking a gratuitous risk now" camp. Jest aside, it's not hyperbole when I say I have more than one former co-worker who lateral'd back to the T-6 or went back to a heavy, citing these concerns. Though I never had any interest in the 121 thing, it does not escape me that the income vs bodily risk ratio went lopsided a while ago for me as a multi-thousand hour in type grey beard in this enterprise. The consideration does weigh on me at times. What I'm also confident on, is had we gone T-50 or T-100, we'd have tails on ramp last summer. It was the height of malfeasance what Boeing did with that shtick of unserious underbidding. Not so much that they threw the number, but that the AF entertained it with a straight face. I still carry the memory of Stuck with me. Human factors notwithstanding, he didn't have to die that day. These are losses squarely in the camp of the right side of the MTBF curve, aka the bathtub model. To say nothing of the fact we've exceeded Northrop's projected airframe life by thousands of hours and multiple decades, pacer classic potato or not. It doesn't have to be this way. And as much as it pains me to say this, there will be more losses stemming from *aging-structures (*term in engineering grad school for this issue) related failures, mark my words. Acceptable as it may be to HAF, it needs to be said anyways. Because for those of us who are in the community, nothing could be more personal, AVF platitudes be damned. Boeing has blood on their hands as far as I'm concerned. Everybody stay safe out there.

Think those two convinced a wide swath of aircrew to separate when they were wing king and grp/cc. Helped me make up my mind as a young captain. If you weren't part of the 'mentor' or 'groom' top 10% of CGOs, you were expendable. And that was from an 'officership' perspective, they couldn't care less about your tactical proficiency... Unless it made them look bad. Then Q3. If they did care, definitely not message received.

My opinion only— AFSOC has an unusual internal power dynamic due to unique COMREL creating distinct officer cultures with different career incentives. AFSOC has two masters: Big Blue and SOCOM. The more senior you get, the more difficult to serve both and you eventually pick your tribe. SOCOM is harder to compete for senior leadership and requires combat credibility in an officers pedigree. Big AF is easier and doesn’t require multiple forward tours. Currently the Big AF inclined officers are leading AFSOC & the current MAJCOM/CC has to overcompensate for his lack of combat credibility; thus he finds Big-AF type endeavors to champion and shuns anything (and anyone) who is of the warrior tribe within AFSOC.

Here ya go.

Hey everyone in AFSOC, Delta desires to hire 200/mo “for the foreseeable future” (AA and UAL probably have the same goal). GTFO if you can.

Have you ever really had commanders like that? I’ve had a bunch of commanders and not one that would go out of their way to punish you if you stood up for what’s right. I’ve had some great ones and some real turds, but nobody truly vindictive. No shit there I was…when I was teaching at the WIC we had a commander who had never been a black border previously and made a big deal about getting the real experience of earning a black border and not just pencil whipping it. He was a previous DO and had a notorious rep as an asshole. He gave a brief that wasn’t up to the standard to the cadre (who was grading him) and asked for feedback. One by one the cadre told him how good it was and gave him glowing reviews on the grade sheet. It gets to me and I told him how that wasn’t up to standard and I hooked him. I said that if a student did that, he absolutely would have hooked and that’s not passable as an instructor at the WIC. There was a gasp in the room because he had a reputation as a hard ass. Fast forward to the standard one on ones with squadron members and he asked me why I did that. I told him my job is to produce the best Patches that I can for the combat squadrons and uphold the standard. He said thank you and ended up making me the #1 guy in the squadron as a brand new Major. Nothing bad happened at all and it helped the cadre realize that “selection is every day”. I don’t tell that story because I’m so great but I truly think if you do the right thing for the right reasons, you’ll be fine. And if you truly do have someone punishing you for doing the right thing, go to the IG. Sorry for the thread detail.

I followed all of it and actually communicated with the guy several times. I think it’s an interesting commentary on social media and modern times. Where is the line of GOAD and all that? Who knows. I also think people that think the AF is overreacting to dudes tagging individuals by name and not offering anything constructive but making very personal and derisive statements towards said individuals need to take a step back. Communicating directly and publicly to a GO from an anonymous meme page and repeatedly saying “fuck you” and other things is going to produce a result. I don’t necessarily agree with it, but you can’t act surprised. I’m biased against anonymous social media shit talking so this is just me. It just feeds into the mob mentality and jades the force for no reason. Hell, every one of those anonymous climate surveys I’ve done for a squadron I’ll put my name in the comments if I actually make a comment. I hate that anonymous shit and pussies that don’t speak up when asked unless it’s anonymous. Commanders aren’t psychics and most of them want to do a good job. If you don’t give them feedback when they ask, how do you expect them to fix things? And saying “this is stupid fuck you” isn’t feedback.

I'd recommend just going into the supply room where they keep all that stuff and start asking for one of everything they have. A good scrounger takes all he can get his hands on. Sunglasses, a watch, camelbak, grease pencils, clipboard, pens, caribeeners, hush kit for your helmet, flashlight (and batteries), calculator....

First off, DO NOT GIVE UP! Next, separate in your mind for a little while that flying and fun are even similar activities. Part of what you're learning there at UPT is how to deal with this stress mixed in with aviation. It is designed to teach you how to compartamentalize your studies. How to concentrate on the closest, hottest target. How to look at 500 pages of study material and figure out what parts to read and which parts are chaff. As has been said, GO TO A BUDDY and get some assistance with studying. "Stump the dummy" is about the best learning tool I can think of...sit around with a brew and have a buddy open the MQF or the -1 or 11-217 or whatever you're studying and ask questions. So what if you get none right the first time through...eventually you'll get it, and he'll get sharper by asking the questions, too. Have him help you chair-fly your next sortie in the syllabus. If you're further ahead in the syllabus than him, help him chair fly a sortie -- you'll sharpen your skills by having to teach it to someone else. Back to my original point...DON'T GIVE UP!!! UPT is a marathon and not a sprint. Keep the end goal -- wings -- in mind at all times, and be patient.

To me, a lot of UPT was the "bro system". Hopefully you haven't used your stress as a reason to alienate yourself from your class. My simple advice: try to fall back on your bros. Have some brews, go out to dinner, do some grilling, go to the lake, do some road trips on the weekend, whatever.... Get your mind off of the UPT thing at least for a little bit. Establish that relationship, then maybe you'll be able to talk to them about what's going on with you and they might be able to help a brother out. I (and most others) probably could have finished UPT "on my own", but it would have been miserable. The catch is, once you overcome your problems, make sure you are open to help others when the time comes. It's all about karma. Ok... Group hug over.