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The mission and personal sacrifices associated with the mission arent what's driving people out of the Air Force en masse. If you ask, 90+ percent of flyers will tell you they love their mission and it's what gets them up in the morning. It's the mountain of queep and endless administrivia hoops we jump through on a daily basis that sours people on the Air Force. Its the daily grinding against the densest bureaucracy imaginable. I worked a civilian engineering job for 5 years prior to Air Force life and it was leaps and bounds more focused on my primary duty than the Air Force is focused on me being a CMR CAF pilot. So we'll play a quick game of civilian world never-have-I-ever. Never have I ever in my civilian job: -had a computer that takes 20 minutes to log onto email -been voluntold to attend and organize social functions in my off time -DRMO literally anything -submit my co-workers for 15 categories of awards every quarter with nazi-regime level strictness of the award submissions -use 1/2 and 1/4 spaces in a document to adhere to writing standards -do HR functions onboarding/off boarding/ discipline/punishment -had scheduled PTO cancelled causing me to eat plane ticket and lodging costs -had my company open a credit card in my name, stipulate what I can use it for, threaten me for not using it, and withhold payment based on an archaic voucher system managed by literal retards. -had basic structural issues with our office building go un-fixed for years -been put in charge of entire programs wildly outside my job description -pulled weeds, mowed grass, and plowed snow around my office building -done 69 annual CBTs to maintain "readiness" to name just a very very few. Most of this stuff just sounds like minor gripes and complaints but the list is endless. If you have significant private sector experience prior to entering or a spouse you can compare stories with its very very easy to see the insanity of all this crap. Most dudes won't get that perspective until getting out.

You’re only helping to further my point—it’s very selective when saying “no one is above the law”. Either what you did is an alleged crime, or it’s not. Sure Trump is a jerk, but that should not determine whether or not he is tried for a crime and someone else (ie Hillary Clinton) isn’t. You’re not saying it’s ok, but yet you’re giving reasons why you think it’s ok for one person to charged and not another.

With this latest whistleblower, I estimate that there have been 69 million allegations and speculations from people "in the know" about the existence of aliens and alien craft. Yet not one single, solitary shred of proof in a time where our highest leadership stores top secret documents in closets, garages, and home offices. That's some amazing infosec.

No one above the law (definitely applies to you if your last name is Trump)…doesn’t apply if your last name is Clinton or Biden. I seriously can’t fathom how leftists (even those on here) can honestly say they’re ok with this happening to Trump and not Clinton, Pence, Biden, etc. I mean, I get the fact that they hate Trump, but conservatives hated Clinton and never did anything like this when there was plenty of evidence to do so. I can’t stand Trump personally, and though I agreed with many (not all) of his policies, I don’t want to see him be the nominee next year…and truth be told, it would probably just be best for the country if he died peacefully in his sleep tonight. But what’s happening right now can’t be seen as a good thing.

Might want to look into enrolling in some continuing education:

I get what you're saying, and agree to an extent. But having lived both lives, I understand how much better it can be. When I was full time, I didn't realize how much it consumed my life. We give up things that the vast majority of the U.S. couldn't fathom, because we think it's normal...it is not. I don't shit on them for staying, you're right, someone has to do it...or they could rotate to the airline then back onto orders as desired. Shit will get done eventually. However, I'll certainly show them how much better my life is now vs. when I was full time. Lots of squadron mates who said they'd never go to the airlines, are now at the airlines and are kicking themselves for not going earlier.

Then there is my squadron where, for the last 4 or 5 years, we'd ONLY hire you if you were willing to take an AGR gig (we don't technicians anymore) for 2-3 years. We had no room for DSG's. Lately, we tend to turn back nearly a years worth of orders every year (or let other positions on base use them)....that's after giving a years worth of orders to guest help for alert. I think we're on track to do the same this year as well. Turns out, when you live close to a major hub of an air line in which 40% of your squadron is employed, unless they're within 5 of their 20, few guys want long term orders. This isn't to take away from your post, I'm truly happy to hear guys are enjoying AD. It's more to add clarity about opportunities in the ANG. Overseas opportunities appear to be aplenty right now in the ANG. We have one guy who will likely spend 3ish years in USAFE on MPA days to get him across the finish line to a retirement. We have another guy taking a few months of orders in Hickam, and we were told it could be up to year (possibly indefinite orders) if wanted. I know 4 other dudes working long term orders OCONUS (mostly USAFE). There seems to be a bunch of other full time CONUS orders opportunities as well (cough...brabus...). In the ANG, you also have the BAO gig, which can be a legit opportunity for the family to experience a sleepy overseas assignment. If I hadn't been trying to get hours ASAP for the airlines, I'd have gladly done the BAO gig for our state partner...2-3 years in Budapest doesn't sound all that bad. I know another guy who did 2-3 years in Tallinn, Estonia who had a ball. Having spent 3+ months in Tallinn, I'd have gladly spent 3+ years there.

Amen to this! When you have three bases that are pretty great (Kadena, Mildenhall, Hurlburt) and one that's located in the smelly asshole of America (Cannon), it becomes real hard to honor BOP when you indeed desire to have a full-up Wing at CVS. Who are you gonna send there, all first-tour guys? Can't do that. Bonus takers who you have by the balls like we do now? Oh wait, BOP...yea that's gonna get jettisoned extremely quickly for needs of the Air Force. Fun story...I was sent to CVS even after 7-day opt! There's an asterisk in that program that says more of less, "Yea but we can also just waive the 24 month retainability clause and send you anyways. Good luck!" Just in case anyone doubts that AFSOC will bone you in the ass raw and repeadetly. In fact, many have at times called the command ASFOC, and personally I think it's fitting. Good times...I was there for 11 months and was a lame duck with a separation date the first time I stepped into my new SQ/CC's office. PCS'd across the country on Uncle Sam's dime twice in less than 12 months, great use of taxpayer resources for some random, replaceable cog line-dawg O3 there guys! Don't get me wrong, flying AFSOC missions was amazing and I wouldn't trade the experience for any other. I had a blast, made great friends, killed lots of bad guys, saw the world (well, many of the world's worst places...), etc. BUT, the command's HR policies are atrocious and drive so many good people out of the service entirely rather than accommodating reasonable alternatives for what folks want to do with their careers. Having Cannon doesn't help, I full acknowledge that, and that's our of AFSOC/A1's hands entirely, but they also don't do themselves a single favor ever IMHO. And oh yea, this new fangled BOP is just gonna blow hot air up people's behinds who don't read the fine print and they'll just get sent to Cannon anyways.

Lol, when the next 19 year old guardsmen who is somehow read into alien chem-trail SAP leaks to his Chinese Minecraft league we'll all have a better of who "akshuslly" blew the pipeline! my theory is the whales have been trying to warn us but Greta keeps killing them with offshore wind farms.

We're talking different sacrifices here. Not too many of my high school/college friends who went into the civilian professional world have had their company send them away for months on end. Most can't even wrap their minds around leaving their family for two weeks at a time, let alone doing it multiple times a year...not long after being gone for 4-6 months. They rarely (if ever) miss a holiday at home, let alone multiple in a row. I don't know a single one of them that missed their daughters wedding (not me, but a close friend) because their company sent them short notice on a 6 month business trip and wouldn't excuse them or try to find them a replacement. Yes we signed up for this, but they're still sacrifices that most in the civilian world will never understand. That, along with all of what pooter said above, wear on you.

Wait, you’re ok with Trump being indicted and saying “maybe” Hillary should have been indicted? I’m suggesting that if you go after one of the top politicians from one party and not one from another party, then the appearance for favoritism, corruption, etc is strong. And I’m sorry, “truly repentant” shouldn’t matter when breaking the law. Because who gets determine if someone is “truly repentant” and not someone else?

It is released. People at my base are signing as of 6 June. Go beat up metaphorically on your FSS for answers. They let our guys backdate to 6 June.

Everyone's circumstances are different. I'm past 20 years and plan on continuing to stay till 22 (with an exception for possible continued AFSOC 3rd floor dicknannagans). Serving my country is still a big reason for me getting out of bed every morning. I genuinely like what I do, what I fly, and the people I serve with. I have no complaints about pay (I think O-5 pay is pretty good compared to what I grew up with and my wife has a 6 figure job). Money isn't a primary motivator for me. There's always shitty parts to any job and I get the military is not an easy life. That said, the AF has afforded me opportunities and experiences I don't believe I would've gotten on the civilian side. The Guard/Reserve never appealed to me. I feel like I contribute where I'm at and I have good bosses at the Sq level. Honestly overall I'm happy with my lot and don't see any reason to pursue different pastures at this time. One guy's perspective.

Back to regularly scheduled sport bitching... Does Trump Multiple Indictments change the race? Guessing it will harden his base and given he admitted to not declassifying some things, he is in legal peril. A charge under the Espionage Act seems like a stretch and how do you make that argument when DOJ gave Hillary a pass when she purposely took TS/SCI SAR/SAP off a classified server and transferred them to an open system. I wonder if the DOJ will given Biden the same Espionage Act charge for taking large amounts of classified and storing them in multiple locations including his SCIF-Garage. Maybe we get lucky and neither one of these clowns can run.

100%. I think we are saying the same thing in different ways. I also didn’t realize how much being a fulltimer was consuming me until I left…and my wife and kids told me how much happier I was when I got back from trips. That was eye opening for me as well. I’m happy to talk to Active Duty folks about the Guard. I’m happy to talk to Full timers about the airlines. My QOL definitely improved when I went AD->ANG and even more so when I went ART->Airlines. I just do my best to stay objective and not make them feel like their decision is “wrong” if it doesn’t agree with how I personally have done it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I can’t second this enough. I’m a dsg captain and commercial GC. The bs I have to deal with daily in my civilian gig is leaps and bounds worse than what I hear my AGR/Tech friends complain about. I know the grass is always greener, but I’m jumping on an AGR/Tech gig first chance I can.

I did a 2 year BAO stint in Sofia and loved it. I also kept flying but had to drop a few quals to maintain currency. Also met my wife there, luckily she’s an American. I always recommend the tour to folks. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app

Fair enough. Yes I was wrong to not caveat that I meant in federal elections and copy shot that local & state elections, where some places allow non-citizens to vote, also matter. 🍻

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/doj-prosecuting-pot-using-gun-owners-despite-state-legalization/ar-AA1cdb2O?cvid=c14fc05cedda45b8b26765bad115db36&ocid=winp2fptaskbarhover&ei=11 i like you bro, and I think we actually agree on a lot. You’re just gullible. Harris imprisoned so many people for weed. Biden DOJ now prosecuting people who buy firearms and smoke weed in states where pot is legal. You’ve been duped into voting for a senile totalitarian in sheep’s clothing. FWIW, I’d vote for RFK just to see him destroy big Pharma. But your DNC won’t even allow debates. Because you guys value democracy so much, lol. You’ve been had dude, you just haven’t figured it out,

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/vermont/articles/2023-01-23/vermont-supreme-court-rules-in-favor-of-noncitizen-voting Been happening for a while, here’s an example.

Unfortunately without any kind of vote ID, it's tough to tell who's illegal and who isn't at the voting booth.

Back about 7-8 years ago in my ANG unit we experienced what became known locally as the “Techsodus”…a mass exit of many of our Air Reserve Technician pilots to seemingly greener airline pastures. A growing bias against the full-time techs took shape. “Dude, how can you stay a Tech? Being a Tech SUUUCKS” A lot of young guys got swept up in the wave and followed the older techs out the door and it definitely hurt our ability to do business. One of the DSGs made an observation one day after overhearing these conversations at drill. He said something along the lines of “you guys understand that, in order to exist as a Guard unit, we actually need some people to stay full time right? Like…if EVERYONE goes to the airline then nobody will be left here to build a schedule, create training plans, run a Stan/Eval program…so maybe just consider that as you run down the hallway talking about how much being a fulltimer sucks to all the young guys that look up to you…” I feel like the same thing is happening today. There is so much hate on the mil meme sites and it’s all a one-sided “ F*** Active Duty! The bonus is for chumps! Come to the Guard and get your line number! If you don’t you’re stupid!” But…the less Active Duty we have, the less Big AF is able to man UFT and FTU training, deployment taskings, headquarters manning, etc, etc and that hurts the ARC’s ability to train and equip which in turn makes it harder to be a DSG/airline guy. Bottom line - the airlines are a great deal, but it’s not for everyone and if someone’s beliefs, goals or family situation dictates that it’s better to stay on Active Duty, they shouldn’t automatically be vilified for that decision. Full Disclosure - I was Active Duty for ~8 years, Guard for 20 as an ART and as a DSG on and off orders. *Edited to add my censored F bomb back in for effect Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk on

YMMV significantly, but in my unit among AGR pilots, the one with the most recent hire date was 2015, and he's the squadron patch. Other than him, the "newest" guy who is an AGR was probably hired in like 2007 as an enlisted dude. You can't just walk into an AGR around here as much as many folks would like to! Still waiting patiently for someone to die or retire, as god intended for his wayward children the Guard bums 😅

@ClearedHot Facts are so inconvenient for the left

The Air Heritage Museum C-123K "Thunder Pig" had an exciting landing at the Geneseo Airshow this past weekend. I believe it's the only flying C-123 on the airshow circuit (maybe the only one flying in the US). Got to tour it at Oshkosh several years ago. Neat airplane, and good people. Powered by two big radial engines, and has the pods for two J85 turbojets. Turbojets were normally used during takeoff and landing from what I understand, but are unfortunately no longer installed.

@ Prozac. Congrats on your tenure at baseops. I've been here the whole time you have. I've read many of your posts. Those who claim "I expressed my views, you should know them by now" is being either intellectually lazy, or has completely stopped learning and updating his world view based on new information. I don't take you for either, hence me asking lots of why questions. People change, as they should, and I refuse to assume that someone is intellectually where I last left them. I asked you WHY you believe what you believe. Your response contained a whole lot of WHAT you believe and a significant collection of CNN talking points (which a google search quickly highlighted). Not a single why as far as I can see. For example: That' a what. Not a how. Definitely not a why. What do you qualify as a 'best' healthcare system? One that makes people wait 8 months for cancer diagnosis (english/canada) or one that you don't have to pay for...but that your really do through higher taxes? Why would you support it? Straight up a CNN talking point not validated or elucidated with a single fact from the CDC. What age group? What demographic? What qualifies as "gun violence"? Please dude. Question the statements you hear before repeating them. This is literally click bate that you appear to have swallowed completely. Do some research of multiple reputable and unbiased health tracking sources...of which the CDC has epically proven itself not to be...and you'll find that statement is mis-leading at best. I did, and it simply isn't true. Negligent parenting and McDonalds are killing more kids below the age of 18 than IRRESPONSIBLE PEOPLE WITH guns are. A little note: a gun has never, not once, of it's own volition killed anyone. Irresponsible people do that. I agree that No child should ever die from gun violence. What you regurgitated there is simple emotive response material not rooted in fact or data. Again that's a what without foundation. In what demographic? Homeschooling? Public Schooling? What about christian schools? Are you ok if they learn Darwinian theory at the same time (which Darwin himself disavowed before he died)? What about homosexual behavior and the mechanics how to do it? That's taught to some kids today in public school right now. Are you ok with that? Seems like you're cheery picking some emotive moral hotspots. WHY do you not like that? That is one of your broadest statements yet. So do believe in whole-sale socialism? Can you point to a historic or current successful example of how you would employ that? P.S. Life isn't fair. Trying to make it 'fair' as defined by one section of society only makes it worse. Yes reforms are needed. History completely disagrees with you about increasing federal power. Never has an increasingly powerful centralized government resulted in higher liberty, freedom, and prosperity for it citizens. If I'm wrong about that please give me your examples. Once again. That's all WHAT material. WHY DO YOU BELIEVE THIS What is your logical backup for your stance? What are you basing your beliefs on? More. Ok. What exactly are the pitfalls that make conservative strategy worse? Are you happy with the last 3 years of liberal controlled government? You're happy with the economy? With the spending of your tax dollars? With the unity that the party of unity has brought to our country? If you cannot understand how that belief structure leads directly to tyranny, oppression and dictatorship, I can do nothing to help you. You are directly arguing for a communist society where "the state" is more important and more capable of deciding what is good for people than the individual people are. Please go live in a former eastern bloc country...not visit...LIVE IN for 6 months and you'll learn exactly how toxic that viewpoint is. What has led you to that conclusion? Where did modern hospitals, orphanages, adoption processes, welfare systems, vaccines, and mental health institutions come from? This is a violently ignorant and arrogantly bigoted (actual meaning of that word, not the modern liberal use of it) statement. Once again. It explains nothing of WHY you believe it. Why do you disagree? Please back up your statement. You sound very much like you listen to a lot of media...from whatever side. Here's what concerns me the most: American's that violently defend a stance of WHAT they believe while having NOT A SINGLE RATIONAL CLUE as to WHY the believe it. In the end, I think it's a lot of people who simply what to fight and stand up for "their side" without ever actually putting to brain bites into truly analyzing the facts behind "their side" and deciding if it make logical sense. Put differently: people want to passionately defend their side because if feels good. Understand the why behind that side is usually too intellectually challenging so they just skip it...turning themselves into what stalin call "useful idiots". Please don't be a useful idiot, regardless of what side you land on. Please tackle the why behind your stance. I have ask a LOT of why questions in order that I might truly understand what's behind your belief structure. I'm not getting a lot of solid feedback beyond some strongly defended talking points based on emotion and not fact. Still standing by for the answer to the WHY questions.

My favorite is the bases who publish the results from these surveys showing that you're in the very small minority if you have more than 2-3 drinks in a sitting. Lakenheath would always have posters at the front gate. So dumb and tone deaf.

These fucking "moderators" need to go. They are suppressing free speech. Fuck them too.

nsplayer you are in Nashville, you claim. I would like to meet up with you. I'm around the Huntsville area. I'd like to get your thoughts. '

I saw a down vote by disco nav. I can only surmise by the picture that the thing posted as its avatar is that it is a wso on the B-1. I don't really care about downvotes or whatever else you tards do on this forum. But I will point out, having piloted the B-1, is that wso's were worthless. I wasn't a wso, I was a pilot. Before that I flew A-10s. So when a disco nav has anything to say about anything, here's the skinny...you weren't good enough to make it through pilot training. That's why you are a nav. Good luck at christmas.

Yessir, I don't think you can label it as the right anymore, but yes, a civil war is coming. Abortions at birth - start shooting. Teaching trans/gay curriculum in our schools - start shooting. Protests from the left over obviously grifts (BLM) start shooting. There is a segment of society, obviously not represented by these pussies on this forum, that are fed up and will start taking action.

The only outcome I can fathom is a civil war. I will give my life to not have nsplayer's congressional leadership to allow men into my daughter's bathroom. That is a fight worth fighting, and it is becoming more and more of a fight that needs to happen.