How is it you don't understand what I was referring to when I said he succeeded? I wrote he was there to boost anti-government protestors and bring about a transition to an anti-Russian government, or... regime change. In that, he was successful because that is what happened. I know you're just trying to take a jab, but you're reaching a little there. 😀
"There is no doubt that Ukraine is of vital importance to Putin."
"The beginning of Russia was right here in Kiev, so Putin views it as highly important."
Are you telling me McCain didn't know he was stirring up a hornet's nest? I'm not excusing Russia invading Crimea or Ukraine. But it was obvious that if we "supported" yet another regime change, Putin was going to react. Do you think McCain thought nothing would happen? I'm tired of helping with regime changes. What's our foreign government body count in the last 20-30 years? Which ones went on to become beacons of Democracy? How is Ukraine doing on that front? You do realize Zalensky suspended Ukrainian elections. So what's the f'n point? I want America to be the best and most admired nation on the planet. But I want it to be done the right way, with democracy, integrity, hard work, productivity, and fair dealing. We're slipping into a situation where we no longer on relying on those things to be king of the hill, but bribery, meddling, provocation, and intimidation. What happens when we can no longer purchase or coerce friendship? As evidenced by the growing waiting list of countries appealing to join BRICS, tolerating US foreign policy is no longer worth the US dollars being received by many. "Yeah, but they're shitholes no one cares about." Case in point.
I'm not disparaging America as a whole, but our government has been corrupted. Their actions reflect such, especially this one. I'll mention this again: How can you applaud an escalation toward war when the very same people doing the actual escalating have a track record of failures (AFG), dirty dealings, and corruption? How many threads do we have here on this forum lamenting the state of our leadership? But somehow, on this one issue, these clowns suddenly become chivalrous and noble? If Russia is your enemy, why are you paying someone else to fight them? There is nothing noble in instigating the toppling a government then prodding (forcing) 10s (100s?) of thousands of your allied Ukrainian "friends" to march straight into the meat grinder that results while pretending to be shocked and indignant from the other side of the planet. We're still trying to expand an empire on a rotting foundation. Again: we have a long list of threads here more or less unanimously testifying to such. Economically, Politically, Socially, and Militarily. This doesn't end well for the United States. It should be obvious to anyone willing to set aside their biases and take an objective look.
I'm trying to not be overly confrontational on this, but I'm not arguing for sport, either. I understand your convictions because I also had them. I don't change my mind easily, but I did on this issue because as I tried to sift through the BS and sort out the facts, the story of how our government currently operates kept conflicting with my personal values and belief so often that I could no longer reconcile it. I want to fix America, not Ukraine.